Gotha Raid 13 June 1917

[jsontag]

Does anyone know which British Squadrons came up against the Gotha's on the June 13, 1917 Raid on England?

Thanks,
James Sontag

[Regulus]

Hi,

You can find out a start on this matter here :

The Kagohl/Bogohl III story

Best from Johan

[Patrick]

Hi Johan, and that's a great link -- this Crashfile thread has some interesting info about Gotha G.IV Go.660/16:

Breguet's Crashfile Challenge #276

The pictures have vanished from the thread, but here it is:

[Patrick]

Hi James, the following comes from The Air Defence Of Britain 1914-1918 by Chistopher Cole and E. F. Cheesman:

13 June, 1917 (Daylight)
Target: London.
Enemy forces: 20 Gothas despatched, 18 Gothas attacked.
Results: 162 killed, 432 injured, £129,498 damage.
Defence sorties: 94.

RNAS

Dover: Sopwith Pups 9929, 11.09-12.15 hr; N6189, 12.14-13.35 hr; N6202, 12.14-13.35 hr; Sopwith Baby 8157, 11.15-12.10 hr.

Eastchurch: Bristol Scout Ds 8972 (Sqn Cdr A. F. Bettington) 11.10-13.30 hr; 8978, 11.15-11.45 hr; Sopwith 1-1/2 Strutter 3686, 11.10-12.45 hr.

Felixstowe: Sopwith Schneiders 3794 (Flt Sub-Lieut H. A. Wilson) 11.20-12.30 hr; 3794 (Flt Sub-Lieut C. C. Purdy) 13.25-15.00 hr; Sopwith Babies 8187 (Flt Sub-Lieut Purdy) 11.23-12.23 hr; 8187 (Flt Sub-Lieut A. G. Simms) 12.45-13.50 hr; N1105, 12.35-14.05 hr; N1102, 12.40-14.25 hr; N1037 (Flt Sub-Lieut H. A. Wilson) 13.30-14.00 hr.

Grain: Sopwith Pups 9940 (Flt Lieut F. M. Fox) 11.05-12.34 hr (Manston); 9497 (Flt Lieut C. T. Freeman) 11.50-13,00 hr; Sopwith Babies 8168 (Flt Sub-Lieut W. F. Dickson) 11.05-13.00 hr; 8160 (Flt Sub-Lieut J. M. McCleary) 11.13-12.30 hr, forced down near Nore lightship with engine trouble.

Manston: Bristol Scout Ds 8969 (Flt Sub-Lieut H. R. de Wilde) 10.45-11.30 hr and 12.20-13.37 hr; N5391 (Flt Sub-Lieut A. C. Burt) 10.45-11.30 hr; N5391 (Flt Cdr G. L. Thompson) 12.30-13.37 hr; 8990 (Flt Cdr Thompson) 11.45-12.22 hr; Sopwith Pup 9907 (Flt Sub-Lieut R. H. Daly) 10.45-12.20 hr (Aldeburgh); Sopwith Triplanes N5424 (Sqn Cdr C. H. Butler) 10.45-11.35 hr and 12.20-1337 hr; N509 (Flt Sub-Lieut A. C. Burt) 12.20-13.37 hr.

Westgate: Sopwith Babies 8146 (Flt Sub-Lieut H. C. Lemon) 11.30-12.15 hr; 8146 (Flt Sub-Lieut E. B. Drake) 12.35-14.40 hr; N1025 (Flt Sub-Lieut L. G. Maxtou) 10.48-12.25 hr; N1025 (Flt Sub-Lieut F. C. Lander) 12.45-13.30 hr.

Walmer: Sopwith Pups 9947 (Flt Lieut S. Kemball) 11.20-13.14 hr; N6439 (Flt Sub-Lieut W. H. Chisam) 11.10-13.10 hr; N6441 (Flt Sub-Lieut W. M. Lusby) 11.50-12.45 hr; N6442 (Flt Sub-Lieut J. A. Shaw) 12.35-13.41 hr.


RFC

No.37 Squadron, A Flight, Goldhanger: B.E.2e A2767 (Lieut L. F. Hutcheon) 11.04-13.30 hr; B.E.12 6610 (Lieut L. P. Watkins) 11.03-13.10 hr; R.E.7 2232 (Capt W. Sowrey) l1.04-12.45 hr; Sopwith 1-1/2 Strutter A8271 (Lieut R. F. Oakes) 11.04-13.l5 hr.

No.37 Squadron, B Flight, Stow Maries: B.E.12a A6318 (2nd Lieut H. A. Blain) 11.08-12.31 hr and 12.58-13.56 hr; Sopwith 1-1/2 Strutter A8274 (Capt C. A. Ridley) 11.00-13.45 hr.

No.37 Squadron, C Flight, Rockford: Sopwith 1-1/2 Strutters A8249 (Capt C. B. Cooke, Lieut A. A. C. Garnons-Williams) 11.03-12.28 hr; A8250 (2nd Lieut J. E. R. Young, Lieut Bennett) 11.05-13.15 hr; A8275 (Lieut G. D. F. Keddie, Cpl W. Rowley) 11.01-13.45 hr.

No.39 Squadron, A Flight, North Weald: B.E.2e A8626 (2nd Lieut A. A. Wilcock) 11.15-12.17 hr; B.E.12 6488 (Capt T. Gran) 10.32-13.00 hr (Rochford); B .E. 12as A6326 (Capt S. R. Stammers) 10.30-13.00 hr; A593 (Lieut E. M. Gilbert) 10.45-13.25 hr.

No.39 Squadron, B Flight, Suttons Farm: B.E.2c 2023 (Lieut C. B. van Leonhof) 11.44-12.09 hr; B.E.12s 6491 (Capt O. V. Thomas) 11.04-13.14 hr; 6480 (Lieut E. S. Moulton-Barrett) 11.05-13.10 hr; B.E.12a A6349 (Lieut G. T. Wix) 11.03-12.49 hr; Armstrong Whitworth F.K.8 B237 (Capt J. I. Mackay, Lieut G. T. Stoueham) 11.04-11.55 hr, returned with engine trouble.

No.39 Squadron, C Flight, Hainault: B.E.2e 7151 (Capt J. O. C. Orton) 11.23-13.14 hr.

No.50 Squadron, A Flight, Detling: B,E.2c 2711 (2nd Lieut W. R. Oulton) took off 11.07 hr, forced landed Kingsnorth; B.E.12as A6313 (2nd Lieut C. C. White) 11.03-13.05 hr; A6309 (2nd Lieut L, Lucas) 11.05-13.23 hr.

No.50 Squadron, B Flight, Throwley: B.E.12 6185 (2nd Lieut F. V. Bryant) 11.08-13.10 hr; R.E.8s A3836 (2nd Lieut A. J. Arkell) 11.00-13.12 hr; A3840 (2nd Lieut N. F. Petris) 11.11-13.20 hr; Armstrong Whitworth F.K.8 B229 (Capt C. R. Rowden) 11.07-13.30 hr.

No.50 Squadron, C Flight, Bekesbourne: Vickers E.S.1 7759 (Capt A. J. Capel) 11.00-11.29 hr and 11.35-13.15 hr; Armstrong Whitworth F.K.8s B225 (Lieut R. W. le Gallais) 11.02-13.02 hr; B224 (2nd Lieut J. G. Goodyear) 11.03-12.55 hr; B247 (2nd Lieut F. A. D. Grace) 11.04-13.11 hr; B238 (2nd Lieut N. E. Chandler) 11.08-13.10 hr.

No.78 Squadron, Telscombe Cliffs: B.E.12a A6320 (Capt E. R. Pretyman) 12.12-13.55 hr, landed at Arlington due to sea mist.

No.65 Squadron, Wye: D.H.5s A9184 (2nd Lieut E. S. Weiss) 11.00-13.15 hr; A9379 (Capt L. E. Whitehead) 11.07-13.15 hr.

No.98 Depot Squadron, Rochford: B.E.2d 5778 (Capt I. T. Lloyd) 11.10-12.19 hr; B.E.2e 6820 (Maj B. F. Moore) 11.15-12.35 hr; B.E.12a A6312 (Capt K. N. Pearson) 11.12-12.43 hr.

No.35(T) Squadron, Northolt: Bristol Fighters A7135 (Capt C. W. E. Cole-Hamilton, Capt C. H. Keevil) 11.19-13.00 hr; A7136 (2nd Lieut J. Chapman, 2nd Lieut F . G. C. Weare) 11.18-12.45 hr.

No.40(T) Squadron, Croydon: Sopwith Pups A7341, 11.22-13.20 hr; B1738, 11.45-13.50 hr.

No.62(T) Squadron, Dover: Sopwith Pup, unrecorded, (Lieut F. W. Kilgour) 11.40-12.30 hr and 12.40-13.25 hr.

No.63(T) Squadron, Joyce Green: Sopwith Pup A7311 (Capt J. T. B. McCudden) 11.25-13.20 hr.

No.2 Aircraft Acceptance Park, Hendon: D .H.4s A7486 (Lieut F. L. Hambly) 11.50-13.25 hr; A7477 (Lieut D. W. Clappen) 12.15-13.30 hr; D.H.5 B354 (Lieut E. M. Roberts) 11.40-13.15 hr.

No.8 Aircraft Acceptance Park, Lympne: D.H.4 A7481 (2nd Lieut H. J. McKenzie) 11.30-13.05 hr; D.H.5 B348 (Lieut L. G. Wood) 11.10-12.40 hr; F.E.8 A4929 (Lieut G. H. Hackwill) 11.05-12.40 hr; Sopwith 1-1/2 Strutter A1095 (Lieut F. Garrett) 11.13-12.45 hr; Bristol Fighter A3345 (Lieut R. S. Carroll) 11.10-13.25 hr; R.E.8 A3705 (Lieut G. S. Frost) 11.25-13.15 hr.

Experimental Station, Orfordness: Sopwith Triplane N5430 (Lieut N. Howarth) 11.17-12.40 hr; N5430 (Lieut Clarke) 13.10-13.25 hr; D.H.4 A2129 (Lieut F. D. Holder, Capt B. M. Jones) 11.30-12.50 hr; A2129 (Lieut Howarth, Lieut F. W. Musson) 1.10-13.40 hr.

[Regulus]

Patrick,

Thanks for the photo ! I was in correspondence with the late Frank Cheesemann and his knowledge is sadly missed !

Best from Johan

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Regulus

Patrick,

Thanks for the photo ! I was in correspondence with the late Frank Cheesemann and his knowledge is sadly missed !

Best from Johan

Hi Johan, his book that I got the British sortie info from, The Air Defence of Britain, has a much better-quality reproduction of that photo as well as a lot of historical background narrative on each raid. It's a must-have reference, my first source for any question about details of what happened on a particular day. Getting harder to find since it's long out of print, but Abebooks still has a few copies available for a reasonable price.

Best,

Patrick