Hauptmann von Lehmann and others

[rammjaeger]

Hallo Forumites!

I am again searching for more information about some German officers.
The following men held commanding positions at the Kondor-Fliegerschule (sometimes Condor) in Großenhain (Grossenhain) / Saxony during the year 1916:

Hauptmann von Lehmann
Leutnant Plambeck
Leutnant Biesel
Hauptmann Friedberg

Any info available? Helpful hints?

VBR
Rammjaeger

BTW Anglo-American but also German sources misspell the name of the town often as "Großenheim".

[Rick]

Rammjaeger, I'll give you what I have. Don't know if any of these guys are your men or not.

Hptm. Viktor Ernst Albrecht von Lehmann, FA 251(A) C.O. (Mar17) - Apr18.

Hptm. von Lehmann, AFP 7 C.O. (Jun17)

Oblt. Heinrich Plambeck, MLFA (Mar18)

Ltn.d.R. Biesel, (P), FFA 32: 12Sep15 - 8Feb16 to FEA 5

Hptm. Joachim Friedberg, FFA 20 (Aug15) and then to FFA 64 C.O. (late 15) - ('17).

Based on the dates, only Biesel seems promising. Plambeck was a Marine flyer. R.

[Regulus]

Hi Rammjaeger,

There was a discussion on Friedberg earlier :

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/ar...p/t-13654.html

There was a von Lehmann in the 11. Armee Korps (11.AK) at Levico on the 1st October 1918, but he was a Rittmeister in the Austro-Hungarian fliegertruppe, Georg Edler von Lehmann who was a pilot and staff officer.
Don't know if he was the same man or related. Not much I'm afraid from my side.

Best from Johan

[Soderbaum]

Hello Rammjäger

Friedberg is a little bit tricky as it existed two of them...

However, the second (Ernst) "only" become Oblt until EOW...

Regarding Joachim Friedberg he served early in the War as observer within FFA 20 . Then I have that he joined BAO in Jul 15 but only a month later he was transferred to BAM. The same month on the 18th he was promoted to Hptm...

After that, I have that he become the first commander of KG 2/12 (after the renaming of BAM)....It seems that he left the command of Kasta 12 in Jul 1916 and after that he disappear in my files....

Is the Kondor Fliegerschule in Grossenhain the "normal" first Kompagnie of FEA 6 which "normally" only is called the Fliegerschule of FEA 6.. or...?


Gunnar

[rammjaeger]

Hi,

I think Joachim Friedberg could fit because "Hauptmann Friedberg" took over command of the school from August to December 1916, Gunnar. Maybe J. Friedberg came to FFA 64 in late 1916 but not late 1915, Rick?

The school named itself in a report "Kondorflugzeugwerke G.m.b.H. Fliegerschule Großenhain" or "Fliegerschule der Kondorflugzeugwerke G.m.b.H.". The most of the flying teachers came from FEA 6 but nevertheless the school was not a military school but a Fabrikfliegerschule under military command. Therefore I don´t think the school was simply the same as the 1. Kompanie but I could be in error because I have seen an offical Fliegerschule of FEA 6 not before 1917 (until now).

Johan, in fact some Austrian pilots were trained in Großenhain in 1916 but I don´t think that an Austrian von Lehmann became commander of the Kondor-Schule. As well I would not exclude Marine aviator Plambeck from this function - Marine officers could serve in the Army or Fliegertruppe like Army officers did in the Navy. Maybe Plambeck served already in 1914 in Großenhain with the Marineflieger and stayed there? I know it is pure speculation.

Grateful

Rammjaeger

BTW the writer of this report in April 1917 spoke always about the "Königlich-Sächsische Fliegerstation" but never about "Königlich-Preußische Flieger-Ersatz-Abteilung No.6" as he should have done. In fact FEA 6 became a Saxon unit on 1. October 1917.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by rammjaeger

I think Joachim Friedberg could fit because "Hauptmann Friedberg" took over command of the school from August to December 1916, Gunnar. Maybe J. Friedberg came to FFA 64 in late 1916 but not late 1915, Rick?

I could easily have mis-typed it. R.

[Soderbaum]

Thanks Rick and Rammjäger

It fits very good (at least in my records) that Joachim Friedberg took over the command of FFA 64 (later FA 32) in Dec 1916, as I have that Hptm Walter Pohl (their original commander left around this date).
Friedberg must have left the command of FA 32 before Jun 1918 as I have that Hptm Johannes? Gerner at commander at that date...
Does anyone knew when Gerner took over the command of FA 32...?

The story about the Marine flyer (Plambeck) who was left behind at Grossenhain when all others of FMF left is a good story and actually there is a little chance that it could be a true story...

This is the information I have about Heinrich Plambeck.

Born 14 Jul 91 in x. In Jan 1915 he joined FEA x, unfortunate no number given... but perhaps it could be FEA 6...?
In Aug 1915 he joined FFA x, also here the unit is unknown...
In Dec 1915 he "went" to hospital...
Then in Apr 1916 he joined FEA 6 where he stayed until Jul 1916, could this be the time when he was commander of the Flieger Schule Condor...?
In Jul 1916 he joined the Marineflugzeugabnahmekommission where he stayed until Oct 1916 when he was posted to MLFA (this is the same unit as FMF after the renaming in autumn of 1915).
On 10 Nov 16 Lt dR MA * Plambeck was posted to SFS Putzig where he served within the Fokker Schule...
On 13 Nov 16 he received the Landfliegerabzeichen.

On 24 Apr 1917 Plambeck was posted further as leader of a Flieger Schule at Johannisthal (within MLFA) and on 17 Jun 17 he was promoted further to Oblt dR MA.
He stayed at J-thal until 22 Jun 18 when he was posted to the stab of the Marineflugchef. However he was posted back to MLFA on 15 Oct 18 where he probably stayed until EOW...

*there is a possibility that Plambeck was an Army flyer in the period 1915 to late 1916 and that when he joined the Marine Air Force he "got" an Marine rank. However very few of the many Army flyers who served within the Marine Air Force actually was converted to Marine ranks...


Gunnar

[rammjaeger]

Hi Gunar,

that is an astonishing amount of info about Plambeck!

He commanded the Kondor-Fliegerschule only "vertretungsweise" between 21.06.1916 and 03.07.1916 after Hptm. von Lehmann.

VBR
Rammjaeger