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Old 13 June 2005, 02:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Aha ! Now you gentlemen come on my territory ! U-boats ! Yes !

This may be curious... There is only one known submarine loss that day :

17 April 1915 British U-boat E15 is sunk in the Dardanelles, stranded shot at by Turkish artillery and according to British sources sunk by small boats that were sent by a British cruiser...

According to another source : ran aground while trying to penetrate Dardanelles and abondoned by ship's company. Hull subsequently destroyed by torpedoes fired by British picket boats...

A few days later can be found : Twenty members of the crew of the British submarine E15, which ran aground in the Dardanelles, have reached Constantinople.

In fact 23 members of the crew became POW's while 6 were killed together with the CO Lt Cdr T.S. Brodie, by fire of the coastal fortress artillery.

You can find more on the story here also :

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;...2_1&sbid=lc03a

A photo of the wreck can be found here : http://content.answers.com/main/cont..._E15_wreck.jpg

But at that moment Friedensburg was on the other side of Europe !

There are no other ship losses that day, with the exception of the Timur Hissar, a Turkish torpedoboat which also stranded, near Chios. It was destroyed by it's own crew.

Claims like that on submarines were also very often made by British airmen, but most of them were wishfull thinking... I suspect this is also the case. Perhaps a sub suffered some minor damage in the best scenario.

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Old 14 June 2005, 06:53 AM   #12 (permalink)
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U-Boat E-11

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Extraordinary contributions.
Thank you for his comment Johan, excellent.
A small contradiction exists on the sinking or not, of the English U-Boat by Friedensburg and Walter.
In Internet exists a text, in German, refers to the sinking of the U-Boat (HMS E-11) by Friedensburg, and says the following thing:
Friedensburg, Walter
Im 1. Weltkrieg Frontflieger und Kommandeur verschiedener Fliegerabt.; vernichtet 1915 mit Seeflugzeug 53 das erste feindliche U-Boot (engl. U-Boot E-11); Kaiserl. Kapitänleutnant a.D.; 1920 Imex-Kommanditgesellschaft Friedensburg & Co.

Was it really victorious Friedensburg on an English U-Boat?
Which the correct date is?
Which the correct submarine is?
What airplane type flew that day?
Some photo of Friedensburg during the Great War?
Some other fact about his life?
Pilotenschein- Nummer 407 - 20.05.1913
In idflieg.de:
Leutnant zur See Walter Friedensburg *06.01.1889 Breslau. (Berlín? Breslau?)
Flugzeugführer alle Seeflugstationen der Ost-Nordsee, Flandern -536- -536- Kopie von J. Ladek
Source: Das Buch der deutschen Fluggeschichte, Band 2. Author: Peter Supf
Obermatrose Werner Walter *03.06.1896 Berlin +29.11.1915 Nordsee
Excuse me for so many questions.
Thanked in advance by their answers.
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Friedensburg, Walter

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Old 14 June 2005, 10:58 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Hallo Dario,

Submarine E11(built 1914) was sold at Malta in 1921.

So it was not sunk during the war.

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Dario,

The story on the E11 can be found here :

http://www.submarinestore.com/stories/facts-e11.htm

or here :

http://www.rnsubmus.co.uk/nasmith/nasmith.htm

I think it may be possible that they bombed the E15, not the E11 in any case, which was also active in the Dardanelles, together with other subs of the E-type (if they were in that area, t.i. Friedensburg).

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Old 14 June 2005, 12:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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On 17 Apr 15 he together with Ob.Mtr Werner Walter (O) did attack an enemy U boot in beta 130, and they were able to "sank" it through a direct hit by a bomb...!
The location: beta 130 is in the North Sea. Furthermore on this date he was stationed at SFS Helgoland. Johan, what does this have to do with the Dardanelles? R.
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Rick,

The only sub that was sunk that day was E15 in the Dardanelles. E11 which is mentioned was operating also in the Dardanelles in May 1915! So as I said, Friedensburg was on the other side of Europe, and could not possibly have attacked or sunk of these two U-boats in the North Sea.

"In late March 1915, three Royal Navy E-class submarines - E-11, E-14, and E-15 - were sent out from England to join the armada assembling in the eastern Mediterranean to support the forthcoming invasion (Dardanelles). From Australia, came another E-class boat, AE-2, procured in England less than a year earlier and manned by British officers and a half-Australian/half-British crew. Of these units, E-11, commanded by LCDR Martin Dunbar-Nasmith, and AE-2, under LCDR Harry Stoker, were sidetracked briefly in Malta for repairs. Thus, E-14 and E-15 were the first to arrive at the Allied naval base at Mudros on the Greek island of Lemnos, 50 miles west of the entrance to the Straits, in mid April. By the time Nasmith and E-11 arrived at Mudros on 18 April to complete their repairs, E-15, under LCDR T.S. Brodie, had already been lost in an unsuccessful attempt to "run" the Dardanelles on the night of the 16th, when she ran aground under the Turkish guns at Kephez Point. Brodie and three of his crew were killed outright, and the rest were captured."

This clearly proves that nor E15 or E11 were in the North Sea area at the time...
So the attacked sub remains a mystery for the moment...

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Johan, understood. Thanks. R.
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Patrol Area of Seeflugzeug 53

Was there some U-Boat, or Boat, was attacked or sunken, in the patrol area of Seeflugzeug 53??
Some other fact about the life of Fridensburg?
Thank you for all the comments.
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