Kofl - 1918

Hello,

Does anyone have the names of the Kofl for AAC.Armee and 2.Armee during the fall of 1918? Also, how long was Hauptmann Stadelmayer the Kofl for 17.Armee? Any thoughts will be highly welcomed.

regards,

Darren

[Soderbaum]

Hi Darren

I have that Major Victor Seraphim took over as Kofl 2 in late Aug 18, he stayed until EOW. Anyone knew when he was promoted to Major..?

I have that Hptm Friedrich Wilhelm Rutz was the commander of Kofl C from 27 Jan 18 until EOW...this was a Bavarian unit...

Also Kofl 17 seems to have been more or less a Bavarian unit. I have that Hptm Walter Stahr led the unit from 28 Jan 18 until EOW...
I dont have that Hptm Friedrich Stadelmayr ever served within Kofl 17, but perhaps Reinhard can clear this up..?


Gunnar

Hi Gunnar,

Thank you very much for the excellent info
I appreciate the spelling correction
I only have a weak reference to Stadelmayr as the Kofl 17. It may be incorrect. He may have been in the chain of command from Kofl 17 down to Jagdgruppe 8b. Do you know what this chain might be (Grufl, Armee Korp)?

regards,

Darren

[fliegertruppe]

Hi Forum,

Infos about Hauptmann Friedrich Stadelmayr:

* 11.09.1879 Plattling
+ 13.03.1964 München?

15/06/1899 4.bay. Infanterie Regiment
04/03/1901 Leutnant
23/10/1910 Oberleutnant
01/04/1914 bayer. Flieger Batallion Schleißheim
20/04/1914 Beobachter-Kurs II C 14
02/08/1914 Feldflieger-Abteilung 3b
30/11/1914 Hauptmann
15/11/1915 Führer Armee-Flug-Park von Strantz
04/02/1915 Führer Feldflieger Abteilung 8b
13/07/1916 Kommandeur Kampfgeschwader 6b
15/01/1917 Grufl 1
06/03/1917 Flieger-Ersatz-Abteilung 1b
10/03/1917 Inspekton des Ingenieur Korps, Stab Kogenluft versetzt
16/05/1918 Grufl 12
01/06/1918 Kogenluft retour
28/12/1918 FEA 1b versetzt und zur ILuft kommandiert als bayer.Flieger-Verbindungsoffizier bei der preuss. Idflieg Charlottenberg
31/08/1920 char. Major

That's all
Reinhard

[Rick]

From the limited information I have, Hptm. Friedrich Stadelmayr was on the staff (Stab) of Kogenluft from 1Jun18 to EOW - which would place him pretty high on the food chain! R.

Hi Reinhard and Rick,

Thanks for the excellent information on Stadelmayr. I noticed that he was Grufl of 12 Armee Korp. in May 1918. Could this have been subordinate to 17.Armee?

regards,

Darren

[Soderbaum]

Hi Darren

The Grufls (circa equivalent to Wing Commander) has nothing to do with a "specific" Armee Korps. However the area they were responsible for was often like an Armee Korps or Gruppe Py etc...

I think, but I am not 100 % sure that Grufl 12 served within the 6 Army (Bavarian) in May 1918.
Later in the summer of 1918 they moved up to Flanders, and of little x-tra interest is that Grufl 12 ended up as Grufl Marine Korps at a late stage of the War...


Gunnar

Thank for straightening me out on that Gunnar. It sure looks like Hptmn Stadelmayr NEVER had anything to do with 17.Armee. It goes to show you, you can't always believe everything you read

One more thing, would a Jagdgruppe commander report to the Grufl or the Kofl of their respective army?

regards,

Darren

[Soderbaum]

Hi again Darren

It is never easy to give straight answers because the "rules" changed over times...and was not always consistent...

However, before the autumn of 1917 when the Jagdgruppen finally become official, they reported to the Grufl which the Jasta "belonged" to...

In 1918 when/if Jagdgruppen were at place they most certain reported directly to the Kofl...but I think that also the Grufls received copies of "the" information...

It is a fair chance that Grufl 12 could have belonged to the 17 Army in May 1918, despite the information given by me...
For this period I only have some "very limited" Kofl 6 extracts, while the original reports might be stored in the archive in München..??...there is also a lot of people around the World who have* this material, but by some strange reason they always seems to disappear when questions like this pops up...

So dont give up...!!

*many of them dont understand what they have...


Gunnar

Hi Gunnar,

Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this to me. I am much indebted
I will keep my eyes and ears open for any info pertaining to this subject.

regards,

Darren