Losses german aviation 1914

vikinn · 12 December 2005, 12:35 PM

Hello Gunnar,

Thank you for your help.
06-07.09.1914 ( ns ) 1 airplane captured near Zamostya ( crew ??? )
01.09.1914 ( ns ) 1 airplane shot down near Tchuna Vybranca 14 Div. 4 Arm.
1 leutnant POW ( 1 Armee - Austria ? )

Cheers, Vikinn

agblume · 13 December 2005, 11:46 AM

Hello Vikinn, the loss of 01.09.1914 was probably kuk Flik5 Aviatik B.II (German-made) with pilot Oblt. Andreas Alexay and observer Oblt Guido von Georgievits de Apadia who were shot down behind Russian lines in Galicia. i am unable to locate "Tchuna Vybranca" as there may be a spelling problem. the observer was wounded and both men became POW. Flik 5 airfield at Nisko, 94 km NNW Przemysl. the observer later escaped from a POW camp in Siberia and made his way to China. the pilot eventually was released. hope this helps you. i am very glad to see this thread developing. cheers, august

rammjaeger · 13 December 2005, 12:57 PM

I don´t think the mentioned loss of a balloon on 27 October was part of the three mentioned Russian communiques

but anyway - here my little note for the incident:

27.10.1914: 1 balloon of Festungs-Luftschiffertrupp 23 shot down in flames - possibly by Russian artillery - in the area Milowice/Dobrzykow "bei Täuschungshandlungen".

The latter term means the balloon took actions for the deception of the enemy ... but obviously the Russians took it too serious

With regards from Dresden
Rammjaeger

rammjaeger · 13 December 2005, 01:42 PM

do you know the location of the German loss of FFA.35 on 03.10.1914???

No, August

but

FFA 35 was ordered to support Landwehrkorps Woyrsch but came under direct command of AOK 9 end of September. Now the formation got the task to watch the area along the river Weichsel between Sandomierc and Josefow. On 3 October the Flughafen of the unit was Kielce.
Therefore I think the airplane was lost in the "area Sandomierc".

BTW the unit worked successful and had discovered the 2. Don-Kosaken-Division and the Turkestan-Brigade around Radom on 2 October.

vikinn · 13 December 2005, 11:34 PM

Hello Rammjaeger and August,

Thank you for your help.

I am searching added information about losses german aviation near Warschau .

I only knew that in period 10.10.1914 – 20.10.1914 ( ns ) 2 Armee captured
3 airplane near Warschau ( FFA 31 ??? )

Cheers, Vikinn

rammjaeger · 14 December 2005, 01:55 AM

I have no losses mentioned for this time but FFA 17 and FFA 31 retreated between 18. and 21. October from Rawa to Rogowski. On 21. October FFA 15 followed to Mroczykow.

Maybe the units abandoned some not serviceable airplanes - but I have a note that later FFA 45 had losses because the unit was based close behind the front and did not get information about the retreat of the Austro-Hungarian 1. Army. The unit was reported to have lost (possibly anywhere between 25. and 29. October) 1 airplane, 3 cars and 2 injured soldiers who became Russian POW.

vikinn · 14 December 2005, 07:28 AM

Hello Rammjaeger ,

Thank you for your help.

The book "

Casualties of the German Air Service 1914-1920 " shows losses

FFA 31 11.10.1914 (ns) 2 KIA near Mszczonavo
FFA 31 19.10.1914 (ns) 1 KIA near Uszczonow

From Russian sources: 29.10.1914 (ns) the scouts 41 Div. 4 Armies
at Vsolya (near Radom) have seized a hangar and 1 airplane.

Other airplane was shot down in a german disposition.

17 Cav. Reg. ( kosaken ) has seized 3 automobiles

Cheers, Vikinn

rammjaeger · 14 December 2005, 08:07 AM

ooops, I did not look at "CotGAS"

29 October fits very well for FFA 45 losses.

Location of the airfield of FFA 45 was given as Wsola (= Vsolya) for 29 October but FFA 45 had started to move on 28 October - via Kielce to Dyamend southwest of Jedrzejow.

Rick · 14 December 2005, 09:07 AM

FWIW, the Deutschen Verlustliste reports the following aviation losses on 28Oct14:
At Radom, Russia:
Uffz. Max Zitzke, WIA,lt. Flg. Karl Holstein, WIA,sv. Kraftfaher August Jander, POW and Flg. Martin Jagomast, POW.
At Wadlew, Polen: Flg. Karl Richter and Flg. Karl Rohrbach both KIC.
Perhaps we can now put a unit with these men? (Note that neither Richter nor Rohrbach are given in the vE listing). R.

rammjaeger · 14 December 2005, 10:09 AM

Sounds interesting, Rick.

Jander and Jagomast could be the Russian POW of FFA 45.

Uffz. Zitzke WIA, lt. and Flg. Holstein WIA, sv. could be members of FFA 45 too. Maybe my source mixed 2 wounded (I wrote "injured" in error in the earlier post) with 2 POW or did not care for the wounded soldiers.

The sentence "Other plane was shot down in a German disposition." [meaning not completely clear for me]" could point to Richter und Rohrbach "KIC" but I would like to see a map before. Where is the location "Wadlew"?

VBR
Rammjaeger