Losses german aviation 1914

vikinn · 14 December 2005, 11:16 AM

Hello Rammjaeger and Rick,

Thank you for your help.

In my source 29.10.1914 ( ns ) - date of the message. The grab of a airplane at Vsolya could be and 28.10.1914 ( ns )

From Russian sources: 24.10.1914 (ns) In region the river Ravka 1 Siber. Corp. 5 Armies have shot down Albatros, not detected on ground.

Cheers, Vikinn

Rick · 14 December 2005, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rammjaeger

The sentence "Other plane was shot down in a German disposition." [meaning not completely clear for me]" could point to Richter und Rohrbach "KIC" but I would like to see a map before. Where is the location "Wadlew"?

Wadlew - don't have a clue. The DVL said it was in 'Polen'. Of course the place name may be spelled considerably different now (and perhaps even then).
KIC - doesn't necessarily mean killed in an airplane crash. Only that they were killed by accident (not directly due to enemy action). I was pretty hasty going through the DVL and do not have it in hand now. R.

vikinn · 16 December 2005, 11:47 AM

Hello Rammjaeger ,

Wadlew is located to the south Lodz (coordinate 51 degrees 31 minutes N, 19 degrees 25 minutes O)
Wsola is located at Radom (coordinate 51 degrees 29 minutes N, 21 degrees 8 minutes O)
Distance between them about 120 km.

Through region near to Wsola 27-28.10.1914 have proceeded 20 Army Corps. and Guards Reserve Corps.

Probably, Kraftfaher August Jander, POW and Flg. Martin Jagomast, POW were seized
together with automobiles.

Uffz. Max Zitzke, WIA Flg. Karl Holstein, WIA could be crew shot downs airplane.

Flg. Karl Richter and Flg. Karl Rohrbach probably have perished for want of flight on other
air station. They could be from FFA 45 or other of FFA from 20 Army Corps. or Guards Reserve Corps.

Cheers, Vikinn

rammjaeger · 16 December 2005, 12:11 PM

Vikinn,

look at the following moves of the German units. Maybe you are able to find out which unit is closest to Wadlew in their move - I can not do it by my own because I have a deadline to meet on sunday and other things to do.

FFA 35 (AOK 9) from Konskie to Tschenstochau (28 October),

FFA 45 (Garde-Reserve-Korps) already mentioned earlier,

FFA 15 (XX. AK) from Opoczno to Kielce (27 October) and to Tschenstochau (31 October),

FFA 17 (XVII. AK) from Rogowski via Brzeziny and Moszczewica to Kule near Tschenstochau (28 October),

FFA 31 (Korps Frommel) from Rogow via Petrikau to Kule near Tschenstochau (29 October),

FFA 28 (XI. AK) from Opoczno via Petrikau and Lask to Brzykow (31 October).

VBR
Rammjaeger

PS: The holy Tschenstochau seemed to attrack all the German aviators.

vikinn · 17 December 2005, 06:15 AM

Hello Rammjaeger ,

Wadlew is located to the nord-west Petrikau (coordinate 51 degrees 31 minutes N, 19 degrees 25 minutes O)

Route Petrikau (coordinate 51 degrees 24 minutes N, 19 degrees 41 minutes O) - - Lask (coordinate 51 degrees 35 minutes N, 19 degrees 8 minutes O) passes to Wadlew is closer than other.

Probably 2 perishing were from FFA 28 (Opoczno - Petrikau - Lask - Brzykow)

Routes remaining units - to the south Petrikau

Cheers, Vikinn.

agblume · 17 December 2005, 09:07 AM

am most grateful for the many additional details. wish i could have added something. august

vikinn · 18 December 2005, 03:48 AM

Hello Rammjaeger ,

Perhaps the Sonderband can give the actual airfield of FFA 31 on 11 Oct 14 and 19 Oct 14 ?

Whether you can help?

Cheers, Vikinn.

rammjaeger · 18 December 2005, 06:34 AM

Hello Vikinn,

FFA 31 (Korps Frommel) was in or moved to Mszczonow on 11 October.

Under consideration of reports about the dangerous situation General von Mackensen ordered the troops to go back to the line Grojec-Mszczonow until the night between 20 and 21 October 1914.

FFA 17 and 31 transfered - adopting to the slowely marching troops - back via Rawa to Rogowski and Rogow between 18. and 21. October.

No exact location for FFA 31 for 19 October given but I would say they were just "going" to or arriving in Rawa.

VBR
Rammjaeger

vikinn · 18 December 2005, 09:06 AM

Hello Rammjaeger ,

Thank you for your help.

Perhaps the Sonderband can give the actual airfield of FFA 35 , FFA 45 , FFA 28 FFA 15 on 19-20 Oct 14 ?

Whether you can help?

Cheers, Vikinn.

rammjaeger · 18 December 2005, 10:33 AM

No Vikinn,

sadly the source is only showing the locations of the airfields for 12 October, the move of FFA 17 and 31 as shown in the last message and the move of the units at the end of the month (28-31 October), already reported earlier in the thread here. No day by day or week by week report available.

VBR
Rammjaeger