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20 July 2003, 04:06 PM
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Two-seater Pilot
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Adieu la vie, adieu l'amour, adieu a toutes les femmes. C'est bien fini, c'est pour toujours de cette guerre infâme. C'est à Craonne sur la plateau qu'on doit laisser sa peau, Car nous somme tous condamnés; c'est nous les sacrifiés. Poilu protest song, 1917. |
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24 July 2003, 09:53 AM
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Hi Duckman
I can only add a little. Pont a Mousson was against the German C Army Detachment. They only recorded one certain victory in their weekly report for 14 July 1917. It was a Spad brought Oblt Robert Greim from Jasta 34 as his third victory. Nothing is mentioned in this report that it went down in flames. Time 8:50. However the book "French Air Service War Chronicle" says that Lapize from Esc N 90 flew a Nieuport 23 code 4 when lost...? Another victory was scored by a crew Lt Borchart and Lt Seifert from FAA 276, who shot down another Nieuport this day at Morville(cant find it on my maps). FAA 276 was probably located a bit north within the 5 Army... ...Esc N 90 had another loss this day with a pilot wounded in action which eventually(?) fits the claim by FAA 276 Probably other have more detailed information...? :-/ Gunnar |
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24 July 2003, 10:18 AM
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Forum Ace of Aces
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Oops..
It should be read that FAA 276 brought down another Spad... Greims victory was brought down south of Nomeny which is in the Pont a Mousson area..but well, Lapize could equally have been brought down by FAA 276 with the information I have... :-/ Gunnar |
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28 July 2003, 10:27 AM
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Forum Ace of Aces
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Hi again Duckman
The  FASWC do not give any time when Lapize was lost.Misidentifying of aircraft was very common, especially when new types were involved which made identifying "impossible"... In combats where different a/c types were involved misidentifying was more a role than an exception.. If the German had used the French "way" of simply identifying hostile aircraft as e/a we would probably not have the nonsense discussion in examples like when LvR brought down Ball...  It is difficult today to understand the huge problems the flyers in WW1 had in "hot" combats to see anything at all. Probably the majority were glad that they survived.. :'( Which Year did Lapize won the tour..?  Gunnar |
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