Goering's Jewish Wingman?

[Rob Romeor]

Does anyone know the name of Goering's Wingman -I've heard he was Jewish-and does anyone know what became of him?

-Rob

[chromium2007]

You may be refering to Lt Willy Rosenstein. Goering apparently made anti semetic remarks too him which led to him going to Jasta 40 where he befriended Adolf Auer whose plane was decorated with the Star of David. I think Karl Degelow asked Goering for certain favours regarding Jewish pilots escaping the Nazi's. Rosenstein, with Degelows help escaped, and testified on behalf of Adolf Auer (he stayed in Germany during WW2) in 1949 during Germany's de-nazification period. Its been said that Goering's life was saved in the air on several occasions by Rosenstein. What an irony.

[tcrean7828]

Originally Posted by chromium2007

You may be refering to Lt Willy Rosenstein. Goering apparently made anti semetic remarks too him which led to him going to Jasta 40 where he befriended Adolf Auer whose plane was decorated with the Star of David. I think Karl Degelow asked Goering for certain favours regarding Jewish pilots escaping the Nazi's. Rosenstein, with Degelows help escaped, and testified on behalf of Adolf Auer (he stayed in Germany during WW2) in 1949 during Germany's de-nazification period. Its been said that Goering's life was saved in the air on several occasions by Rosenstein. What an irony.

chromium2007,

You got that right! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black - good gravy, that must have hurt Goering something terrible, to somehow adimit that Perhaps Rosenstein, might have saved his life on occasions. What would uncle Adolph have done, without his # 1 boy.

Good quip though.

cul

tcrean7828

tom

[Lawrence Milner]

Originally Posted by Rob Romeor

Does anyone know the name of Goering's Wingman -I've heard he was Jewish-and does anyone know what became of him?

-Rob

Willy Rosenstein was a member of Jasta 27 and Hermann Goering was the Sqn.Leader. It has been said that he flew wingman for Goering (he was an excellant pilot, having obtained his flying license in 1911 at the age of 19). Willy states in his autobiography that H.G. made an anti-semetic remark and refused to withdraw it in front of his comrades. He applied for a transfer. However, in his assessment which H.G. had to write, he states that Willy had won his confidence for his air combat skills "and the affection of his Staffel-mates because of his fine comradship".
H.G. goes on to say that Willy was showing signs of nervous exhaustion as a consequence of nearly six years continuous activity as a pilot and recommended that he be transfered to a KEST in order to recover his strength. This was an assignment for battle-weary aviators to regain their strength.

When he had recovered his strength, Willy applied to be transfered to Jasta 40, where Helmut Dilthey was commander and had been with Willy in jasta 27.
Unfortunately, on his first flight Dilthey was killed by his own anti-aircraft fire and Carl Degelow was appointed in his place. Degelow became so impressed with Willy's ability that he appointed him his deputy and he took over when Degelow went on leave.

Degelow did not, however, have anything to do with Goering 'assisting' Rosenstein to leave Germany. It was another comrade from Jasta 27 who asked Goering to remove obsticles that made it difficult to leave Germany.

Hope this clears up the matter for you. Lawrence Milner

[Richard_Schrader]

All;
I think we have all run into people like Goering. No matter how many times you save their butts, they will stab you in the back the first chance they get.

Richard

[frontflieger]

The 'Top-Nazi's like Hitler, Göring, Goebbels... decided themselves, who were Jewish and who were not:

For Göring we know about Rosenstein and Friedrich Rüdenberg coming form German(-Jewish) families and rumors about Eberhard Milch, Helmuth Wilberg and others with one part of their parents coming from a German(-Jewish) family. These from the military part of Germany...

Goebbels was the 'chief' of culture. Jewish artists (like 50% of the Comedian Harmonists) were forbitten to work... safe those like Erich Pommer (movie-producer) or Fritz Lang (movie-maker 'Metropolis' etc.) who were invited to become 'Ariens' "for cultural reasons".

Frontflieger

[tcrean7828]

Originally Posted by Lawrence Milner

Willy Rosenstein was a member of Jasta 27 and Hermann Goering was the Sqn.Leader. It has been said that he flew wingman for Goering (he was an excellant pilot, having obtained his flying license in 1911 at the age of 19). Willy states in his autobiography that H.G. made an anti-semetic remark and refused to withdraw it in front of his comrades. He applied for a transfer. However, in his assessment which H.G. had to write, he states that Willy had won his confidence for his air combat skills "and the affection of his Staffel-mates because of his fine comradship".
H.G. goes on to say that Willy was showing signs of nervous exhaustion as a consequence of nearly six years continuous activity as a pilot and recommended that he be transfered to a KEST in order to recover his strength. This was an assignment for battle-weary aviators to regain their strength.

When he had recovered his strength, Willy applied to be transfered to Jasta 40, where Helmut Dilthey was commander and had been with Willy in jasta 27.
Unfortunately, on his first flight Dilthey was killed by his own anti-aircraft fire and Carl Degelow was appointed in his place. Degelow became so impressed with Willy's ability that he appointed him his deputy and he took over when Degelow went on leave.

Degelow did not, however, have anything to do with Goering 'assisting' Rosenstein to leave Germany. It was another comrade from Jasta 27 who asked Goering to remove obsticles that made it difficult to leave Germany.

Hope this clears up the matter for you. Lawrence Milner

Lawrence Milner,

Excelent disertation, thanks for the clearification. Every time I pop in here I learn something new.

cul

tcrean7828

tom

[Frank_Olynyk]

Lawrence,

Can you tell me anything about the autobiography of Willy Rosenstein that you mentioned? Title, publisher, date, etc.

Frank.

[Epee]

http://people.sinclair.edu/thomasmartin/knights/

A short history of German-Jewish pilots in WW1.

[Lawrence Milner]

Originally Posted by Frank_Olynyk

Lawrence,

Can you tell me anything about the autobiography of Willy Rosenstein that you mentioned? Title, publisher, date, etc.

Frank.

With pleasure Frank. Willy typed his autobiography while he was imprisoned in a detention camp in South Africa. It is 19 pages long and has never, to the best of my knowledge, been published. He was suspected of being a Nazi because of his connection in the 1st WW with Goering. He states flatly that he never had any further contact with Goering ever. How the 'help' came about was through a chance meeting with a fellow pilot from his old squadron (27) who had remained friends with Goering and insisted that Goering should clear the path for him. Willy thought that this was just talk, but he received a letter from H.G's secretary a week later to say that he would not be restrained from leaving the country, which proved to be true.

Willy could not understand why he was suspected of being a Nazi -his only son Ernst joined the SAAF airforce at the age of 19 -the address of his Father stated on his application form was the detention camp. Ernst was later seconded to the RAF and he was KIA in Milan in April 1945. Only then was his Father released from 'control'.

Lawrence