New information Mvr

[Taz]

Scott- You may be right, I should ease up a little. But this month I did pick up the data plate for Dr.I 570/17 (nobody would fake that), a piece of fabric from an OAW D.VII and am working on a deal for a data plate from a Fokker D.VII with a known history of who flew it. So I can be convinced. Just need provenance.

I have it on good authority, though, that the maternity clothes were cheap Chinese knock-offs and not the real thing. The name "Mickey Rat" gave it away.

Taz
Terry Phillips

[Dan_San_Abbott]

Scott:
For some reason, I think this may have more to do with deposits by El Toro than the MvR and the Nazi.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[Patrick]

There is nothing in the article that makes any sense in terms of actual recovery of MvR/Boelcke/Voss artifacts -- but plenty that sounds like a setup for forgery and fraud.

The next you hear about this will be invitation-only private viewings of the collection -- carefully screened to eliminate those pesky Brit & American historians.

[Gregvan]

Hi,

I'm not an expert on such things, but it sounds very unlikely to me too. Burned pieces of a Fokker Triplane?

"The Nazis" - whoever that referred to - wouldn't have burned any relics of Richthofen. They exploited his name and fame and got all the mileage they could out of him. His distant cousin Wolfram was, after all, a very important high-ranking Luftwaffe commander.

Greg

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Gregvan

Hi,

I'm not an expert on such things, but it sounds very unlikely to me too. Burned pieces of a Fokker Triplane?

"The Nazis" - whoever that referred to - wouldn't have burned any relics of Richthofen. They exploited his name and fame and got all the mileage they could out of him. His distant cousin Wolfram was, after all, a very important high-ranking Luftwaffe commander.

Greg

That struck me as being the most unlikely aspect of the article too. An action like that would have to have Göring's approval -- no way would he ever allow it. Any MvR/Voss/Boelcke artifacts not in family collections would, at the minimum, be in German museums or Luftwaffe archives, and worst-case would be used for Nazi propaganda.

The Luftwaffe had a hard-fighting Jagdgeschwader, JG 2 "Richthofen" that was named in Manfred's honor. Their marking was a red script "R" on a white shield. They were formed in the late 30s and fought until the last day of the war. There were also two different Richthofen cuff bands authorized for Luftwaffe uniforms: a commemorative one for those who had served in JG 1 during WWI, and another one for members of the new JG 2.

I'm thinking that the burn story has to do with forging artifacts that contain "restoration" pieces of modern origin.

[crankcase]

I agree this sounds suspicious...

For years I have believed the story about the russians seizing/looting the contents of the family home in schweidnitz. upon reading this forum, however, the reasonable comment has been made that mama von richthofen's departure may not have been so hasty and that therefore there was a chance that relics could have been transferred to the west and may still be in the family's possession (not including a triplane, of course, i think it is accepted that the one on exhibit in the zeughaus in berlin was destroyed in an air raid -- darn, of course, by those british and american terror bombers -- no wonder they are not welcome! =0) )

crankcase

[Laserlloyd]

You think we would have heard something by now, if it was true since the posting of the message was done in 2002. I think after five years some news would have popped up.

[vonSchaller]

Hmm this story is too strange....
I knew some "Nazis" before they faded away and according to them, "MvR" had the status of an glorious hero to the most young boys in the "Reich". So why should they burn up such worthful items. One of the original DR.1 was displayed in Berlin as the type of plane in which Manfred fought the war.
The only fire that destroyed such items was coming from the bombs of the allied bombers in WW2. It`s like the Porsche of James Dean.....with all the parts you`ll find in the world you can build up 20 cars..

[rammjaeger]

The responsible WWI buddy of Birgitte must have suffered from a strong imagination like many lunatics in the Internet! Look here:

Axis History Forum :: Boelcke and or Richthofen had survived WWI?

I have never heard about this kind of discovery in Germany and if anybody of the other Germans would have heard about that then I would really wonder!

There are too many lying bumbles and lunatics in the Internet!

[Laserlloyd]

I am trying to get in touch with Birgitte to get more information. She hasn't post on that forum for some time now but I found an email for her and I'm waiting to be contacted back. I'll let you know if I hear anything.

Lloyd...