A correction re: Ernst Udet

Fallschirmjager · 13 August 2007, 07:03 AM

Re: Rudenberg-- Goering was not only a virulent anti-Semite, but as we've seen, a shrewd player of the power game. If he was to make his way up the ladder without benefit of a "von", he would have to use any & all methods, whether guile or intimidation. With Rudenberg, it was the latter. With Udet,
both.

Re: Udet "tubbing" w/Goering-- Call Udet naive, if you will, but Goering's
shows of comraderie did take him in. Also, even though Goering was Reichsmarschall, Udet was Quartermaster General. All flow of military materials passed under his pen, and not even Goering could trump it. If he wanted resources for his pet projects, he had to play footsy w/ Udet. Needless to say, the egotistical s.o.b. resented this, too, and when he saw a way to take out his old "comrade", he did.

Re: Goering & his fitness program-- There is the most laughable photo of this
lard-butt playing TENNIS !!! He's even wearing a headband ! He looks like
Jim McMahon swallowed "Fridge" Perry !

Re: His aerial skill-- Never said he was an outstanding AVIATOR. Marksman, yes. It is interesting that, upon assuming command of Jasta Richtofen, he found himself "consumed by administrative duties", and therefore unable to actually fly as many sorties. (Hmmmm...)

tcrean7828 · 13 August 2007, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Re: Rudenberg-- Goering was not only a virulent anti-Semite, but as we've seen, a shrewd player of the power game. If he was to make his way up the ladder without benefit of a "von", he would have to use any & all methods, whether guile or intimidation. With Rudenberg, it was the latter. With Udet,
both.

Re: Udet "tubbing" w/Goering-- Call Udet naive, if you will, but Goering's
shows of comraderie did take him in. Also, even though Goering was Reichsmarschall, Udet was Quartermaster General. All flow of military materials passed under his pen, and not even Goering could trump it. If he wanted resources for his pet projects, he had to play footsy w/ Udet. Needless to say, the egotistical s.o.b. resented this, too, and when he saw a way to take out his old "comrade", he did.

Re: Goering & his fitness program-- There is the most laughable photo of this
lard-butt playing TENNIS !!! He's even wearing a headband ! He looks like
Jim McMahon swallowed "Fridge" Perry !

Re: His aerial skill-- Never said he was an outstanding AVIATOR. Marksman, yes. It is interesting that, upon assuming command of Jasta Richtofen, he found himself "consumed by administrative duties", and therefore unable to actually fly as many sorties. (Hmmmm...)

Fallschirmjager,
I think the reason that Goering kept his butt in the seat and not in the cockpit was because he had made it to the catbird seat and didn't need to push himself into any unnecessary dangerous positon. Besides who would cover his bacon in the air, after his sudden rise to power.

Goering got lucky with the capsule, the rope most probably would have broke and they would have to do it all over again and again until they got it right. Changing his diaper every time would have been full of it - now that was a thought.

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tcrean7828

tom

Fallschirmjager · 13 August 2007, 07:32 AM

Gee, THERE'S a mental image I didn't want.

Fallschirmjager

crankcase · 13 August 2007, 08:58 AM

can anyone corroborate the story that goering was not popular (and even shunned) at interwar meetings of jasta pilots?
crankcase

wingedwarrior · 13 August 2007, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarrenD

Is this the same David Irving that wrote that crap about how the U.S. systematically and deliberately starved German POW's?

Hi Warren,

I believe that you are thinking of James Bacque, who wrote Other Losses.

David Irving got into a rather sticky situation when he questioned certain aspects of the Holocaust as to whether they occurred. He eventually was arrested in Vienna in 2006, being that the Austrian government had an arrest warrant out for him for doing so since 1989.

regards,

Darren

WarrenD · 13 August 2007, 10:53 AM

Darren,
Thanks!

You are right, it was James Bacque who wrote the piece I mentioned. Apologies all around for getting it wrong forumites.

However, I knew that I had some kind of negative association relating to Irving's name. So, I will re-phrase my previous statement: "I would take anything Irving said with a grain of salt since he has a tendency to question important aspects of the Holocaust."

There, I hope that is better.

For info regarding Degelow's activities post-war regarding his trying to get old Kameraden out of Nazi Germany I refer y'all to Germany's Last Knight of the Air: The Memiors of Major

Carl Degelow by Peter Kilduff. It was a great read, and I found a copy cheap on either Alibris or Abe Books, I can't remember which now.

Warren

wingedwarrior · 13 August 2007, 04:55 PM

Don't mention it Warren, I get help here all the time!

Regards,

Darren

VtwinVince · 13 August 2007, 05:27 PM

Warren, maybe you should read Other Losses before making such sweeping statements. I guess there never were any DEF's, no camps on the Rhine, no piles of corpses either. I guess Americans are incapable of committing such acts because they are morally superior. Regarding David Irving, whether or not you agree with his writings, locking him up for them as the Austrians have done seems to defeat the purpose of why the Second World War was fought in the first place, but I guess that's too obvious and ironic for people to get.

Fallschirmjager · 13 August 2007, 07:42 PM

Fellas, kindly zip your flight suits back up and quit pissing on my thread. We're talking about Udet, and secondly, Goering. This nationalistic he-said/he-said is annoying me.

Fallschirmjager

Roadhog · 14 August 2007, 02:08 AM

Frankly, I see very little to admire in either man. OK so both were fighter pilots and aces when they were young men. So what? Who cares if one of them was charming and witty. The same could be said of the serpent in the Garden of Eden. One was a ardent Nazi and the other an ardent Nazi enabler at best. In short, both young men became monsters. And finally, both killed themselves before we could hang them. Too bad.

See what a bad influence Ginger has had on me. VR, Scott Price