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Old 9 September 2007, 10:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Göring's 'Pardons'

I have the names of two Jewish WW1 pilots who were pardoned by Göring and allowed to leave Germany in the 1930s.
1. Willy Rosenstein who states that Lt. Siebel interceded with Göring who then paved the way for his exit.
2. Fritz Beckhardt - Berthold Guthmann appealed to Göring who pardoned him (Guthmann and his family later perished in Auschwitz as he had no-one to appeal for him).
It is stated that Carl Degelow also appealed to Göring for a Jewish pilot to be released, but no name is mentioned.
Any information on this subject would be greatly appreciated. Has anyone knowledge of the country Beckhardt emigrated to after his 'pardon'?
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Old 9 September 2007, 11:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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another jewish pilot was been wilhelm frankl


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Old 9 September 2007, 12:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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...Frankl (already) died in 1917!


... I have Friedrich Rüdenberg (ex-Jasta 10) to add to this list. His family was saved for he had been a member of JG 1.

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Old 9 September 2007, 01:20 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Has anyone knowledge of the country Beckhardt emigrated to after his 'pardon'?
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My "Opa", [Fritz Beckhardt], and "Oma" left Germany travelling in the family Adler car in December 1940 - we are fortunate to have a photo of them settting off on the journey. From there they were able to drive all the way to Lisbon, Portugal.


In May 1941 the British Air Ministry sent an RAF plane to Lisbon to pick up Fritz and my grandmother and fly them to England. They landed at an airport just outside Bristol.

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MikeC- great info and very pleasure to hear info from the relative of above mentioned airman. Any more details please?
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Germany's Jewish flyers

There is a website covering Germany's Jewish flyers. I don't know if it is comprehensive or not, but there is a list at the bottom of the first page. Hope this sheds some light.

The website is: Germany's Jewish Knights of the Air - 2

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A few.

After a relatively brief period of detention in an internment camp on the Isle of Man they moved into a flat in Golders Green, a London suburb with a large Jewish population. The family owning the flat were highly observant, Orthodox Jews and as such at completely the opposite end of the religious spectrum to the Beckhardts. [The last time my grandfather entered a synagogue was when he married my grandmother in the mid 1920s]. The reason why the Beckhardts were able to live there was because Fritz had smuggled several members of the family over the border to Belgium when they were being sought by the Gestapo in the mid 1930s. Since he had by that action most likely saved their lives, allowing them to live in the flat was repayment of a debt of gratitude.

The reason why I mentioned this incident is that although the official reason for my grandfather’s original arrest, imprisonment and subsequent concentration camp detention was that he had committed the Nazi crime of Rassenschade or “race defilement”; according to my late mother, [FBs daughter], the real reason was retribution for his role in enabling Jews sought by the German authorities to escape the country.

Thus although he undoubtedly did have a long term and indeed quite public relationship with an “Aryan” woman in contravention to the1936 Nuremburg Laws; in practice the local nazi hierarchy had largely "turned a blind eye" to the situation, presumably on account of his WW1 record. It was only when his clandestine, people-smuggling activities came to the attention of the central, Berlin authorities that punitive action was taken against him leading to his arrest.

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Gentlemen- thank you very much for your kind reply
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You're welcome Sreiko.

Regarding the wider subject matter, I came across the following quote which I scribbled down some time ago without referencing the source. So I don't know if it came from Theaerodrome or elsewhere. I think it may have been "elsewhere" but that covers a lot of territory.

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"There is a record of a decree signed by Goering, after he had come to power under Hitler, placing all (sic) jewish pilots that had served in the air service "off limits" to persecution by the Nazi authorities".
Can anyone add any further details?
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Old 16 September 2007, 12:05 PM   #10 (permalink)
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CARL DEGELOW IS MY RELATIVE but i dont know a jewish name

I do not know of a jewish fighter pilot but I do know I am related to carl degelow. Oh wait yes I know one Wilhelm Frank!

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