Who, What, & Where?

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Taz

Jay- Nice find. That sort of thing is what most of us collectors hope to find, but hardly ever do.

The first reference to the engine test stand refers to the untraining you had to do on pilots who had been trained on LeRhônes, Clergets or early monosoupape Gnômes, where extensive use of the blip or coupe switch was possible without damaging the engine, even though the first two could be throttled. The 160 hp Gnôme 9N in the N.28, however, could be damaged badly by using the coupe switch at full power. With its selector switch, the 9N pilot had the ability to change the firing order (still firing every cylinder, just in a different order) to give firing at full, half, quarter and eighth normal firing order intervals. This was required since the 9N had no carburetor, only an injector, so could not be throttled, only its rpm varied. Using this switch, experienced pilots could fly the N.28 without having to resort to use of the coupe switch. Same went for the Gnôme 9N powered Camels.

Taz
Terry Phillips

Hi Taz,

Thanks for your kind words and very detailed information on the Gnome Monosoupape 9N. From what I am reading the Nieuport 28, in the skilled care of the First Pursuit Squadron's mechanics and pilots, was quite a desirerable and successful machine and gun platform (no Marlins!). Easily maintained and even "HOT RODDED".

Many of us do not like to see FOTOALBUMS broken up for sell and scattered, especially when information is lost. I always feel obligated to acquire as many images as possible and also to keep any information together.
I don't know why this auction didn't have a bigger turn out, I'm not complaining, it may have been the way the auction/images were titled and a lack of knowing what was to be had. The four or so images I lost out on were snatched up by someone that must have a strong desire to collect fotos with corpses in them (airplane crashes), because I pretty much won the rest unchallenged except for two I did have a fight with a third party, we'll call one "ISIS" and the other "WAR TROPHY ON DISPLAY IN PARIS" (I'm guessing that it is Paris!).

I decided to show these so that we all may have a chance to enjoy and hopefully learn more about them. The seller's logo is still on these scans and some are cropped by me. If anyone wanted to use these for publishing purposes they should just contact me.

Foto #XIV

"WAR TROPHY ON DISPLAY IN PARIS"



What says Greg about this fine Albatros D.V?
Is this machine sporting Yellow and Black stripes of the diagonal variety? What color and what Jasta?
Which Flieger?



Foto # 15

"ISIS"



Anyone know of an ISIS?
Did it have a Red fuselage?


Foto #16

"NIEUPORT 27 CHAMPION TEAM"



Maybe someone will recognize these barracks. Issoudon?

Foto #17

"ANTI AIRCRAFT SEARCHLIGHT"



Foto #XVIII

"SOLDIERS WITH CAPTURED GERMAN AIRCRAFT"



I wish this image was clearer. They are yarding out a "C" type machine (nose first) with another in the background and a third one off to the left. It would be nice to be able to identify these!

Scores will be determined after the challenge!


Thanks for playing, Jay

FOKKERJ

[Kilian]

This Albatros looks like on display in Paris to me but cant tell you whose machine it was.

[gilles]

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

"WAR TROPHY ON DISPLAY IN PARIS"



What says Greg about this fine Albatros D.V?
Is this machine sporting Yellow and Black stripes of the diagonal variety? What color and what Jasta?
Which Flieger?





FOKKERJ

Hello FokkerJ

The DV landed at Charmentray aerodrome on 28 june 1918. The pilot was Lt Siegfried from Jasta 37.
The crosses are odd because they were repainted for the display. French army test-flew the aircraft so he wore cockades.
A french painter depicted a blackish/very dark blue-grey fuselage with a green and white insignia.

Gilles

[FOKKERJ]

Originally Posted by Kilian

This Albatros looks like on display in Paris to me but cant tell you whose machine it was.

I concur.

Originally Posted by gilles

Hello FokkerJ

The DV landed at Charmentray aerodrome on 28 june 1918. The pilot was Lt Siegfried from Jasta 37.
The crosses are odd because they were repainted for the display. French army test-flew the aircraft so he wore cockades.
A french painter depicted a blackish/very dark blue-grey fuselage with a green and white insignia.

Gilles

Thanks Gilles for the information. That's more than I expected.
Were the stripes on the tail an identification on all of Jasta 37's machines?
What colors were the stripes?

VBR, Jay

FOKKERJ

[AZ Aviator]

Regarding Foto #II, Harold Hartney, at that time the C.O. of the 27th Aero Squadron, is referring to 1/Lt. W.H. Plyler (27th Aero from 25 March 1918), who "had his engine shot out, crash landed, and was made prisoner" on 13 June 1918, so Plyler captured the geese prior to that date. The 27th Aero geese mascots must have made pretty good sentrys in order to have survived through six months of war, plus Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners. And, as the two pictured geese appear to be in a compromised situation, with their buddies probably being prepared for dinner, it doesn't appear as if those two have attained "mascot" status. A good guess for the location of the Caudron G.III in Foto #13 would be the 2nd Aviation Instruction Center at Tours, over 65 miles northwest of Issoudun. Most of the rest of the Nieuport photos may well have been taken at the 3rd Aviation Instruction Center at Issoudun. However, the best photo may actually be the one of unarmed and uncamouflaged Nie. 28 THEDA BARA. This ship is shown in "The Nieuport 28C-1" Profile on p. 6, and has a painted serpent encircling the fuselage. If you look closely, you can see the serpent's head near the cockpit and tail close to the tailplane in Foto #III. Yes, Theda Bara was the leading film "vamp" of that period. In the Profile photo the tail stripes have been painted out. Mechanics of the 31st Aero Squadron were known to perform this sort of artwork on Issoudun trainers. I would surmise that the cowling and serpent are probably both red, the wheels probably factory brown, and it has retained its U.S. roundels under upper wing.

[Cliff]

A couple of notes on the pics.

Foto #XIV
JASTA 37 had black fuselages and black/white tail stripes under Udet.

foto #VIII & IX & Foto #10
The large black fuselage numbers are from an American flight training facility.

Foto #VI
#F1374, Circa 1918:

Sopwith Camel delivered to 3rd Aviation Instruction Centre, Issoudun by
22.7.18, the tail number F1368 is from another Camel also sent to Issoudun.

Foto # 15

"ISIS" Probably a Nieuport 27. Black fuselage and white skull & crossbones. A couple of Nieuports were marked similarly at Issoudun (at least three).

Cliff

[FOKKERJ]

I was hoping Dan-San Abbott and ONEALM would drop by and reply.

[ONEALM]

Stephen Lawson did a great article about the 31st Aero's "Billy Bones" marked Nieuports a while back in OtF. There are a few shots of the dark-fuselaged Nieuports therein. Can't recall if it's in the article, but it was certainly on the CD Stephen has for sale (a well invested bit of change I can tell you), that includes a nice full side profile photo fo the "ISIS" N. 24. It has a lighter colored tail that Stephen has interpreted as light gray, the fuselage as black.

There's another shot of the "Theda Bara" marked N.28 in the old Profile Publications #79 on the N.28. She was pretty risque - at least for 1917. Take a peek at her Cleopatra - which, judging by the snake motif on this Nieuport, is the role the boys were paying homage to.

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[Dan_San_Abbott]

Gentlemen:
This is an Alb.D.V, from Jasta 37, the diagonal stripes on the tailplane is black and white. I believe this Albatros D.V was flown by Offz.Stv. Loewensen, who had joined Jasta 37 from Jasta 5. There were very many German aircraft on display along with the Alb.D.V as well as many German Artillery pieces.
This photo was taken at Place de la Concorde in the heart of Paris. displayed on the island in the Center of Place de la Concorde is an Obelisk, taken from Egypt by Napoleon.
Blue skies,
Dan-San

[tcrean7828]

Mates,
Thanks for the walk through and the pic's are great.

ttfn

tcrean7828

tom