The Red Baron’s gift to Jasta 11 pilot Fritz Lübbert

[JG1Hautzmayer]

Originally Posted by crankcase

Ok, Ok, we hear you! We can stand corrected on this point.

By the way, where is this movie now circulating? I am waiting for it in Bucharest.
marc

Hello Marc,

Not trying to correct anyone, not sure what you mean? I thought it interesting that there may have been some fact behind the "fiction,"

I have no idea what's going on with the movie. It was supposed to be released in the US and UK last month--maybe due to the poor performance in Germany it's been put on hold.

Hautz

[Royalla]

It’s high time to explain this discussion to all those who have not seen the movie: there is a (fictional) member of the Flying Circus named Sternberg (Sterni) who is Jewish and a close friend of MvR. The man is killed in action (in a horrible way) and deeply mourned by MvR. There has indeed been criticism from various sides, basically saying that there can’t be anything coming from Germany that doesn’t somehow manage to include hints of WW II and Nazi crimes in one way or the other. The leading role of the Jewish character may be fictional but still – as Hautz put it and I do absolutely agree with him- it obviously doesn’t lack at least some historical background and that’s what makes it interesting. It is rumoured that the German High Command had secret lists of Jewish soldiers and had investigations running to find out if they were hiding on safe posts or "really" serving the Vaterland. Nobody knows what those lists and investigation results were used for in the end but it makes me like the Lübbert anecdote even more.


Voss, MvR, Lehmann, Sternberg (in a coat inspired by the one MvR owned)
and Moritz, obviously wearing a fur coat over his own pelt, too...

[frontflieger]

Originally Posted by Royalla

... There has indeed been criticism from various sides, basically saying that there can’t be anything coming from Germany that doesn’t somehow manage to include hints of WW II and Nazi crimes in one way or the other ....

On the other hand Voss' plane is lacking its swastika:
http://www.frontflieger.de/mvr_film/mvr_025.jpg

[Royalla]

You are absolutely right! And didn't Voss even use the swastika "the right way round" in the form it has been used as a lucky symbol for thousands of years by many cultures and not the perverted Nazi version. But for an international movie, that would have been too dodgy, I suppose, and I can (in a way) understand that they left that bit out... Times are changing and an absolutely innocent thing can change to the very opposite.

[crankcase]

Originally Posted by JG1Hautzmayer

Hello Marc,
Not trying to correct anyone, not sure what you mean? I thought it interesting that there may have been some fact behind the "fiction,"
I have no idea what's going on with the movie. It was supposed to be released in the US and UK last month--maybe due to the poor performance in Germany it's been put on hold.
Hautz

Hautz
Your point is well made. I was feeling corrected because I have expressed criticisms of the movie without seeing it (shame on me) and therefore I might have misinterpreted what appears to be "politically correct" material.

I have no doubts that MvR must have been a good-natured, tolerant, unpretententious and ambitious person who respected people who pushed themselves to achieve as he pushed himself... a natural leader (player/coach in sports language). The original footage of him seems to confirm this.
marc