"Flugzeugfuehrer Moll" ?

[mikec]

Hi.

On a, "Liste der juedischen Traeger des Eisernen Kreuzes 1.Klasse (bis 1 Mai 1916)", is the name of one "Flugzeugfuehrer Moll".

No other details given.

Doesn't appear to be mentioned on the, List of Jewish pilots theads, here.

Can anyone add any additional information?

Thanks.
MikeC.

[Soderbaum]

Hi Mike

Tricky question, cant help you directly because I dont have any pilot Moll which fits for this early time period...

A long shot is Johannes Moll who received the DLV before BOW, on 20 Mar 1914, nr 699. However I dont knew if he served in any military units later on.

However a hint to maybe find him is that he received EK I. I think all who received EK I are mentioned in the "Militär Wochen Blatt" or similar publication...!?

If you find him there, take notes on all others who received it "around" him, because people from same Army/Army Corps/unit often are mentioned "near" each other...


Gunnar

[frontflieger]

Originally Posted by Soderbaum

"Militär Wochen Blatt"

Hi Gunnar,

do you know, where I can find this journal?

Thorsten

[Soderbaum]

Hi Thorsten

I think that it is the name Militär Wochen Blatt which contains this kind of information, but I am not 100 % sure...it was several Years ago I discussed this issue with a researcher...

I think you can e-mail the archive in Freiburg and get an answer. The staff there are normally helpful ...

If you get an positive answer send me an e-mail regarding the ref. nummer, so can I check next time I visit Freiburg.


Gunnar

[Lawrence Milner]

Originally Posted by mikec

Hi.

On a, "Liste der juedischen Traeger des Eisernen Kreuzes 1.Klasse (bis 1 Mai 1916)", is the name of one "Flugzeugfuehrer Moll".

No other details given.

Doesn't appear to be mentioned on the, List of Jewish pilots theads, here.

Can anyone add any additional information?

Thanks.
MikeC.

Hi Mike,

I cant help with your query, but to pursue the thread on a different tack, I take it you are the descendant of Fritz Beckhardt (see Goering's Pardons) and there was another descendant from the male side i.e. a Beckhardt who is (was?) a journalist for Wesdeutsche Rundfunk and produced a documentery on Fritz Beckhardt which was screened in Germany. If I am correct he would be your cousin. I did try and make contact with him in Germany, but had no success. I can't recall his pen name, but I am sure you must know who I mean, and he did appear on the forum for a period -do you have contact with him? I believe that Fritz Beckhardt was called as a witness at the Nuerenberg Trials to prove that Hermann was not an anti-semite. My subject Willy Rosenstein was helped by Fritz Siebel who interceded with Goering on his behalf. Any comment on this?
Regards,
Lawrence Milner

[Immo_Frese]

Originally Posted by frontflieger

Hi Gunnar,

do you know, where I can find this journal?

Thorsten

Hi Thorsten,

das Militär-Wochenblatt ist auch in gut ausgestatteten Bibliotheken zu bekommen. Eigentlich müsste bei dir vor Ort auch die Bibliothek der Universität der Bundeswehr in Hamburg die Bände im Bestand haben.

Ansonsten haben insbesondere Willi Geile und Erhard Roth das Militärwochenblatt auf diverse Ordensverleihungen hin abgeklopft. Ihre Forschungen sind in der Reihe "Statistische Ausarbeitungen zur Phaleristik Deutschlands" erschienen, verfügen aber außer Name, Verleihungsdatum und teilweise die Einheit über keine weiterführenden Informationen.

Hier ein Link zum Verlag: Statistische Ausarbeitungen

Gruß, Immo

[mikec]

Originally Posted by Lawrence Milner

Hi Mike,

I cant help with your query, but to pursue the thread on a different tack, I take it you are the descendant of Fritz Beckhardt (see Goering's Pardons) and there was another descendant from the male side i.e. a Beckhardt who is (was?) a journalist for Wesdeutsche Rundfunk and produced a documentery on Fritz Beckhardt which was screened in Germany. If I am correct he would be your cousin. I did try and make contact with him in Germany, but had no success. I can't recall his pen name, but I am sure you must know who I mean, and he did appear on the forum for a period -do you have contact with him? I believe that Fritz Beckhardt was called as a witness at the Nuerenberg Trials to prove that Hermann was not an anti-semite. My subject Willy Rosenstein was helped by Fritz Siebel who interceded with Goering on his behalf. Any comment on this?
Regards,
Lawrence Milner

Check your PMs for Lorenz's email address.

P.S. I have the name of Rosenstein's observer in FA 19 if you don't know it already.

Mike.

[Lawrence Milner]

Originally Posted by mikec

Check your PMs for Lorenz's email address.

P.S. I have the name of Rosenstein's observer in FA 19 if you don't know it already.

Mike.

Thanks for the address, Mike. I would like the name of Rosenstein's observer in case I have a different name.
Did you know Charlotte (daughter of your Grandfather's lawyer)? She survived the Concentration Camp.
Best regards
Lawrence

[mikec]

Originally Posted by Lawrence Milner

Thanks for the address, Mike. I would like the name of Rosenstein's observer in case I have a different name.
Did you know Charlotte (daughter of your Grandfather's lawyer)? She survived the Concentration Camp.
Best regards
Lawrence

As I understand it, Rosenstein’s observer was a Leutnant Martin.

No I never met Charlotte Opfermann, although I believe Fritz Beckhardt’s son did.

As regards Beckhardt and Willi Rosenstein, they certainly met and knew each other as there was a meeting of the RJF in Stuttgart on 5 January 1935 in which both men spoke along with a 3rd pilot called, if I remember correctly, H(?) Schmidt about their respective war time careers as pilots.

Which I suppose raises at least in passing the question; what happened to pilot Schmidt?


Mike.

[frontflieger]

Originally Posted by mikec

Which I suppose raises at least in passing the question; what happened to pilot Schmidt?

Do you have the whole name of Mr. Schmidt? His birthdate and place? It is hardly possible to find 'a' Mr. Smith in Germany!

thorsten