Werner Voss

bristol scout · 3 August 2009, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfred von Richthofen HU

sorry gentleman you dont mean me! this fact(open eyes, saying mouth) is not mine!!!!!!! I read it in the internet but i dont know where i found a text what include this fact MvR dead!

Hi,MvR HU,
please be assured I was'nt laughing at you---but with Marc----and the amusement was harmless fun, on this you have my word.

cheers,
Dave.

Manfred von Richthofen HU · 3 August 2009, 03:06 AM

my english is very bad! and i dont understand all what you are write, sorry!

I misunderstood something! the fact is NOT MINE! Not i am said the red baron emigrate to USA! I READ this fact

bristol scout · 3 August 2009, 03:43 AM

Your English is much better than my German, my friend.

Dave.

Manfred von Richthofen HU · 22 August 2009, 04:31 AM

thanks!

i have a question

Werner Voss and

Manfred von Richthofen was a good friend and rivalry. So Voss And Richthofen the closest friend in the JG1?

And Werner Voss has got a girlfriend just like Richthofen and Kate?

Rugbyfan1972 · 22 August 2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tcrean7828

How about a combination of Capt. Bowman and 2/Lt. Rhys Davids.

ttfn

tcrean7828

tom

Tcrean7828,

From reading the combat reports of that day in

High in the empty Blue and September Evening, I feel that

Reginald Hoidge should also be credited with shooting down Voss. As to quote RH he fired at Voss as he was flying across his path as is sure he hit him, and also to quote the officer that examined Voss's corpse, he had a bullet wound in his side (can't remember which side) and an exit wound in the other (or words to that effect). And his conclusion is that Voss would have been dead within a minute.

The last part about Voss being dead within a minute ties in with the fact that Rhys Davids, shot him down when he was flying straight and level for the first time since the combat had started 10 minutes earlier.

Thanks
Rugbyfan1972

alex_revell · 22 August 2009, 01:49 PM

Rugbyfan
Who was this officer who reported on the body of Voss. What is the source for this.
Regards
Alex

tcrean7828 · 22 August 2009, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manfred von Richthofen HU

thanks!

i have a question

Werner Voss and Manfred von Richthofen was a good friend and rivalry. So Voss And Richthofen the closest friend in the JG1?

And Werner Voss has got a girlfriend just like Richthofen and Kate?

Mate,
Yes they were good friends since the Jasta 2 days and before when MvR went to FEA 7 for observer training and Voss was an instructor pilot.

ttfn

tcrean7828

tom

Rugbyfan1972 · 22 August 2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by alex_revell

Rugbyfan
Who was this officer who reported on the body of Voss. What is the source for this.
Regards
Alex

Alex,

It is in September Evening by Barry Diggins.

Thanks
Rugbyfan1972

Jos · 23 August 2009, 01:10 AM

Alex,

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Rugbyfan
Who was this officer who reported on the body of Voss. What is the source for this.
Regards
Alex

In September Evening on page 92 one can read this:

During his correspondence with Alex Revell, Douglas Whetton mentioned that he was in posession of a report submitted by a British Divisional doctor who claimed to have made a cursory examination of the body before burial. This revealed Voss had been hit by three bullets. One through the right hand side of the chest, exiting behind the top of the left shoulder, a wound consistent with being shot from low on the starboard flank, and two through the lower part of the back, exiting through the stomach, consistent with being shot from almost directly behind. This suggest that Voss was probably already dead or fatally wounded before Rhys Davids fired his last twenty to thirty rounds into the triplane.

Do you have more info?

Jos

alex_revell · 23 August 2009, 03:01 AM

This mention from Whetton came about when I was reseaching aspects of the death of Voss for Collinshaw. I asked Whetton many times for a sight of this report, and its details, but he never made them available. This made it impossible to check. If I remember correctly, he could not, or would not, make it clear whether this report was an official report - in which case it would possibly be still in the records at Kew - or a report which he had obtained privately. This made the report uncheckable, so I discounted it as reliable evidence. I mentioned Whetton's mention of the report to Diggins. It was only that - a mention, nothing more. The only evidence I found in the records at Kew was that of the burial of Voss by Lt Keegan. I believe that I was the first person to find this. Or at least the first person to report it.