German Airmen lost over Paris 1918?

PFFF · 26 October 2009, 08:42 AM

Two seater German Aircraft shot over/near Paris 12 August 1918?
http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archi.../downedAEG.jpg

Dan_San_Abbott · 26 October 2009, 07:37 PM

hi PFFF:
That is nor an A.E.G.C.IV aircraft. It is a Rumpler C.type, most likely a C.VII with a Hausmann gun ring.
Blue skies PFFF,
Dan-San

PFFF · 27 October 2009, 04:15 AM

Thanks-would that have been an observation/Scout or Artillery spotter aircraft?

Dan_San_Abbott · 28 October 2009, 07:46 PM

Hi PFFF:
The Rumpler C.VII was a very high flying photo reconnaissance airplane. It was powered with the Maybach MbIVa 245 Ps engine. It normally flew well above 23000 feet, was fast with 175km/hr at sea level, faster than the Alb.D.Va and PfalzD.IIIa. It was probably the best high altitude photo reconnaissance aircraft in WW1. It was the U2 of WW1.
Blue skies PFFF,
Dan-San

James A. Pratt III · 30 October 2009, 12:47 PM

CGAS has the following fatalities this day 12 Aug 18:
FA 31 crew at Spada which I think is NE of St Michel could this be a USAS claim?
FA 14 crew at Villslue NE of Noyon
WIA CGAS
FAA 241 i WIA

FASWC claims for 2 seaters this day:

Lt Menard SPA 85 at Noyon which could be the FA 14 crew
4 pilots of SPA 98 Moronvillers E Reims
IV Armee 54 AC LVG C Hill 147 Note the IV Armee's sector was to the East of Reims

One hopes this is of some help

Froggy · 31 October 2009, 03:32 AM

Bonjour à tous

I do not think the caption
of this photo is accurate, since it was published in Guerre aerienne illustree # 51 .... on 1st November 1917!
(patriotic..)caption above the photo(translation)

"This enemy plane was shot down by our anti-aircraft guns, which they also have their aces. It was looking for a very large hospital, a place where he could operate the most havoc, when suddenly hit by a shell it crashed near souilly.Nul will never know if this aircraft was counted as lost by the opponent!"

Cordialement
Bruno

PFFF · 2 December 2009, 06:54 PM

Thanks for info!!

Rod_Filan · 2 December 2009, 10:46 PM

Thank you for the correct identification of the a/c Dan-San - and thanx for bringing this to my attention PF.

Bruno,
The English caption below the photograph PF posted is in the same hand-written style that can be found on a few other photos. Would you concur that this would be indicative of them being sold in Paris as a package to the AEF servicemen when on leave in the capital, and the date on this particular photo given to suit the need of "bragging-rights" back home? Call it a selling-point for the vendor if you like -- just a thought.

Another view...cross your eyes...it works...but not because it was originally taken as a true stereograph but because the Keystone firm manipulated bits between the paired images to "fake" the effect.

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Cheers

PFFF · 3 December 2009, 05:17 AM

Thanks for info!

related threads at
German Losses 12 August 1918 ?
Also FOUR DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE DOWNED AIRCRAFT:
http://www.greatwar-photos.org/FrenchViews.htm
Another Version at
http://www.gwpda.org/photos/coppermi...&cat=0&pos=199

Were any aces lost near Paris prior November 1917?

lastly a similar but unrelated thread at
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/fo...howtopic=40074
Note answer to last thread is at
http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archi...ownedParis.jpg