The Aerodrome Home Page
Aces of WWI
Aircraft of WWI
Books and Film
The Aerodrome Forum
Sign the Guestbook
Help
Links to Other Sites
Medals and Decorations
The Aerodrome News
Search The Aerodrome
Today in History

Learn how to remove ads

The Aerodrome Forum


Go Back   The Aerodrome Forum > WWI Aviation > People


People Topics related to WWI aviation personnel

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 16 January 2012, 05:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
Observer
 
unglesbeemj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 2
 
German Pilot's First "Abschuss", August 25, 1918

1. I am attempting to confirm a shoot down by a German Army pilot on August 25, 1918 (his first), in the area of Oise Aisne, northern France, during that same campaign. See attached images of his engagement history found with the soldbuch. The pilot’s name was Bruno Walzel, rank unknown. I am in the possession of his soldbuch and several of his awards, and am researching his combat history.

Unfortunately, I have so far been unable to determine from his soldbuch exactly which unit he was attached to at the time of the shoot down. There are many units listed throughout his career, starting in late 1915: FEA 1, FEA 9, AFP S. Army, FA 54, and FEA 8 in July 1917. After that date the record goes silent until November 1918 with his final transfer to FEA 14.

Why it took Bruno until April 1918 (see second image) to receive his pilot qualification badge is another mystery...

Are there listings available for Allied aerial losses and/or German claims for August 25, 1918, or the month of August, that indicate location, pilot, aircraft, etc? If so, could someone direct me to this information, or to someone that can assist me further in my research?

2. I have attached several pages from Bruno’s soldbuch. Can anyone tell me the complete name of the unit stamped within the box on the left page of the first image? It appears to be “….Reihenbildzug 5” (RBZ 5) but cannot make out the text in front of this.

This is a wild shot, but can anyone tell me what the handwriting directly above the stamp pertains to? As the handwritten text indicates July 1918, it is possible that Bruno was flying with RBZ 5 when he had his shoot down on August 25, 1918. But I would now need to confirm if in fact RBZ 5 was flying in the Oise Aisne area in August...

Any assistance in sorting this out would be much appreciated!

Mike
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 9.jpg (39.5 KB, 24 views)
File Type: jpg 448-1.jpg (47.3 KB, 22 views)
File Type: jpg 448-2.jpg (46.4 KB, 21 views)
File Type: jpg 6.jpg (36.3 KB, 22 views)
unglesbeemj is offline  
Sponsored Links
Old 16 January 2012, 10:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
Forum Ace
 
Raineranton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Munich, Germany
Posts: 728
 
Hi Mike,

The stamp: Kgl. Preuß. Reihenbild-Zug 5 (Königlich Preußischer Reihenbild-Zug 5)

The handwriting above:

Gelöhnt bis 10.07.18 (payed till 10 July 1918)
Fliegerzulage bis 10.07.18 (extra pay for airmen till 10 Juli 1918)
Verpflegung bis 07.07.18 einschließlich (food up to and including 07 July 1918)

Kappe
Offizier-Stellvertreter

Regards

Rainer
__________________
"Beware of the Hun in the sun!"
Raineranton is offline  
Old 16 January 2012, 10:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
Observer
 
unglesbeemj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 2
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raineranton View Post
Hi Mike,

The stamp: Kgl. Preuß. Reihenbild-Zug 5 (Königlich Preußischer Reihenbild-Zug 5)

The handwriting above:

Gelöhnt bis 10.07.18 (payed till 10 July 1918)
Fliegerzulage bis 10.07.18 (extra pay for airmen till 10 Juli 1918)
Verpflegung bis 07.07.18 einschließlich (food up to and including 07 July 1918)

Kappe
Offizier-Stellvertreter

Regards

Rainer
Thanks Rainer. Is it safe to say that he was attached to this unit - RBZ 5?

Mike
unglesbeemj is offline  
Old 16 January 2012, 11:01 AM   #4 (permalink)
Forum Ace
 
frontflieger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hamburg/ Germany
Posts: 1,299
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by unglesbeemj View Post
... starting in late 1915: FEA 1, FEA 9, AFP S. Army, FA 54, and FEA 8 in July 1917. After that date the record goes silent until November 1918 with his final transfer to FEA 14.
FEA 1 & 9 means: he was trained in Germany (perhaps not for beeing a pilot but a ground crew?)

AFP S (?) - propably AFP 5 or AFP 9 - that means Armeeflugpark of either the 5th or the 9th army. AFP 9 (Rumanian-Front) would fit to Feldfliegerabteilung 54 (FFA 54), which fought at the eastern front.

AFTER that he was - perhaps - trained for beeing pilot at FEA 8 - going to the western front... in november 1918 his unit - RBZ 5? - was demobilzed at FEA 14/ at 'Halle an der Saale'.

Thorsten
__________________
Frontflieger - Die Soldaten der Deutschen Fliegertruppe 1914 - 1918

Mein lieber Hans - Feldbriefe einer Mutter 1914 - 1917"
The life and death of Jasta-11-pilot Hans Hinsch
2nd edition - now available!
frontflieger is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Book "The greatest day in history" - Raf bombing 1918 ? ytarg Aircraft 5 26 October 2010 12:15 PM
Frank Luke sept 1918 "Credit" ? PFFF People 3 23 August 2006 02:55 PM
Könnecke's "Green Tail" Albatros DVa early 1918 Romani Aircraft 6 4 September 2004 08:07 AM
"My Last Time at the Front, July-August 1918" Alan People 2 14 April 2004 02:06 AM
"Plane News" May 4,1918- Percy's Diary jc 2002 0 30 January 2002 12:39 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright ©1997 - 2013 The Aerodrome