Jasta-Führer: The Meeting

digit · 25 March 2012, 02:08 AM

KTB Jasta 15, 25.2.17:

Oberlt. Reinhold zur Jasta-Führer-Besprechung nach Valenciennes.

Which one is Reinhold?

Soderbaum · 25 March 2012, 02:39 PM

Hi

Anyone knew when this very interesting photo was taken..?

Gunnar

Bettors Pub · 25 March 2012, 06:47 PM

Very interesting. I make it early-mid August 1917 as Von Dostler (KIA Aug 21) is #2 yet there in no

Kurt Wolff (WIA July 13) or Von Tutschek (WIA Aug 8), It would be interesting to see the Forum ID the photo. My two cents has

#5 Walter Von Buelow
#6 MvR
#22

Rudolf Berthold
#26 Von Doering

Possibles

#25 Bolle (would be Jasta 28 "cub" at this point)
#29

Franz Ray (also at this time Jasta 28)

Is #17 Goering ???

Hope Lance B or Greg chime in here

Jos · 25 March 2012, 10:14 PM

Hello,

Indeed a very interesting photo.

I would like to add

Josef Mai (nr. 18).

Jos

digit · 26 March 2012, 12:51 AM

The reason for the Besprechung was the introduction of the Ph Munition.

"It is said that in 1916 German airmen became so enraged at the use of incendiary bullets by the British (presumably the Buckingham) that they demanded that similar ammunition be made available to them…"

Early Aircraft Armament, by Harry Woodman, 1989, pg. 166

Germanophile-1 · 26 March 2012, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digit

KTB Jasta 15, 25.2.17:

Oberlt. Reinhold zur Jasta-Führer-Besprechung nach Valenciennes.

Which one is Reinhold?

FWIW, assuming the meeting took place on Sunday, 25 February 1917 (and one clue is the heavy coats worn by meeting attendees), it would have been a day after MvR (#6) scored his 20th and 21st victories.

Peter

GMU · 26 March 2012, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bettors Pub

Very interesting. I make it early-mid August 1917

No, that was taken early 1917, in a very cold day. Look how they are dressed; their coats.

Jasta 15 KTB ( war diary) mentions Oblt Reinhold being there at 25.2.17. (Feb 25, 1917)

The photo was taken at Famars. The Chateau has been destroyed and replaced by a modern building.

Bettors Pub · 26 March 2012, 06:32 AM

I thought about the heavy coats right after I hit submit. Bad call on my part. Sure would love the pilots in this photo to be ID'd. If this was taken on or around February 25, 1917 and this was somewhat important meeting wouldn't scorers of the period (Voss, Baladamus, Frankl, Berr, Bernet, Manschott) be included ??? Maybe logistics was a problem and I guess somebody still had to be fighting the war. Looking forward to following this thread.

GMU · 26 March 2012, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bettors Pub

I thought about the heavy coats right after I hit submit. Bad call on my part. Sure would love the pilots in this photo to be ID'd. If this was taken on or around February 25, 1917 and this was somewhat important meeting wouldn't scorers of the period (Voss, Baladamus, Frankl, Berr, Bernet, Manschott) be included ??? Maybe logistics was a problem and I guess somebody still had to be fighting the war. Looking forward to following this thread.

Again, the KTB mentions Jasta-Führer meeting ( or Jasta Leaders) meeting. I would assume not all important pilots were commanding Jastas at that particular time.

DerMo · 26 March 2012, 07:47 AM

Thank you for this very interesting photo.
#26 Kurt Bertram von Döring
#31 Lt. Bongartz?