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19 July 2002, 11:17 PM
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Let's just say, I'm not bidding on it. And I wouldn't mind having it. But I think it's definitely over priced!
VBR, Al Lowe
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20 July 2002, 01:20 AM
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BROWN, F/L Gordon Stewart (J9387) - Distinguished Flying Cross - No.400 Squadron - Award effective 23 March 1945 as per London Gazette dated 3 April 1945 and AFRO 802/45 dated 11 May 1945. Home in Montreal; enlisted there 28 February 1941. Trained at No.1 ITS (graduated 8 August 1941), No.7 EFTS (graduated 25 September 1941) and No.14 SFTS (graduated 19 December 1941). Award presented in Montreal 25 November 1949.
"This pilot has completed numerous fighter missions on all of which he has displayed exceptional skill, determination and courage. These operations have often been completed in the most difficult circumstances in the face of enemy anti-aircraft fire and fighter activity. Flight Lieutenant Brown took part in many fighter patrols in the course of which he damaged many locomotives. On one occasion his aircraft was severely damaged but despite this he flew safely to base." Maybe Bishop pinned on his wings in 1941 - but the chap who submitted this to E-Bay sure had some odd misiformation. |
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25 July 2002, 09:10 AM
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You guys have got to get yours facts straight, it was  Billy Bishop, ask Al , he tell you the straight skinny.Big Mountain |
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25 July 2002, 10:08 AM
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Hi All,
I know that this thread has been primarily for comic relief, but I would unfortunatly like to get serious and ask this question. Has anything new come to light regarding who shotdown the RvM? I read "Who killed the Red Baron?" sometime ago, and as this was originally written in the 1960's, I was wondering if anything knew has been uncovered to definitely conclude who was responsible. I am under the impression from the book that ground fire brought him down, but this was speculation. What do you think? |
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25 July 2002, 11:05 AM
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In the absence of the bullet (assuming that it would still be in good enough shape for forensic testing to determine whether it came from a Lewis or a Vickers) I would say that it is impossible to prove who shot him down.
If it were to be a Lewis it is now too late to determine which gunner was responsible.
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25 July 2002, 02:09 PM
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WingedWarrior,
Michael is right. Speculation is all we have now. If you would like research further there are several good threads in the Forum archives on this topic. My favorite book on the subject is "The Red Baron's Last Flight", by Norman Franks and Alan Bennett, Grub Street, 1997.(ISBN: 1-898697-75-2) It gives a good overview of the existing theories and presents some original evidence. I still think it was Popkin! Wayne
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25 July 2002, 02:46 PM
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MvR seat given to the RMO does notnow or has ever had a bullet hole in the seat backing. The seat is a deep version made to accomidate a heineke parachute as a seat cushion.
MvR brought his crippled Dr.I down under control. As evidenced by the a/c being relatively intact.The fatal blow came from behind. He was climbing out of his cockpit when fatally wounded. Supposedly the first officer on the scene was an intelligence officer. Rather than the truth we prefer the myth. Most of us don't want to believe the truth (?) its too ugly. When the legend grows bigger than the truth the bookmongers will publish the legend. |
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25 July 2002, 06:33 PM
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Quote:
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25 July 2002, 06:55 PM
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MVR was an alien - thats why the Mafia/CIA/Mormons/Cornish Nationalist conspiracy killed him.....
 or was it an Australian infantryman with a .303 on a grassy knoll? Mulder? Scully? U out there?  Neil
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