Late Hanriot Monoplanes

EricGoedkoop · 8 December 2005, 08:37 PM

Hello all,

Does anyone have any photos or information handy on the late-style (Nieuport-esque) Hanriot monoplanes? I have the Flugsport drawings of a two-seat, 100hp Gnome-powered machine that I think competed in the 1912 British Military Trials, and also a page of detail sketches from Der Pilot that show a very similar single-seat job. I'm particularly interested in any drawings or photos that show the cowling and also any information on color and markings.

Thanks in advance,

Eric

EricGoedkoop · 10 December 2005, 08:32 AM

No dice, huh?

Would anyone happen to know even what number the Military Trials machine carried?

jtisch · 10 December 2005, 02:10 PM

Eric,

Don't feel bad, my request for info on the Ponnier racer got 0 replies. The only thing I have (besides what you listed, which I am assuming came from Michael Fletcher's CD-ROM) is a black and white sketch of a Deperdussin and the Hanriot going around the pylon in the 1912 GB cup from the 1952 book "American Racing Planes and Historic Air Races". There is not much detail in the sketch, which is a shame because some of the other drawings in the book have color and a little more detail. It also has one sentence of text about it.

However, a year and a half ago, someone had an absolutely gorgeous 1/4th scale model of the Hanriot racer at our Dawn Patrol and Classic Air Racing event up here in the Pacific Northwest. He was a retired gentleman and didn't show up at this years event due to ill health, from what I heard. I think I took a couple of pictures of it with a film camera. Whether he had documentation for all of the detail he put on it or whether he was "filling in the blanks" I don't know, but his cowling was a work of art.

J

ps: I love your model of the morel (sp)?

EricGoedkoop · 10 December 2005, 09:20 PM

Thanks, J - but you do know that a morel is a type of mushroom, right?

Here's something that may interest us both - in Horatio Barber's The Aeroplane Speaks, plate XXIV shows my machine as the 1912 "Hanriot-Pagny" and yours as the 1913 "Ponnier-Pagny." I should have checked there earlier. Who was Pagny?

EricGoedkoop · 10 December 2005, 09:40 PM

Also, have you seen this?

Doc · 11 December 2005, 12:06 AM

Pagny seems to have been a designer for the Hanriot company, and he probably stayed with the company after it was bought by Ponnier after the Concours Militaire. Doc

jtisch · 11 December 2005, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by EricGoedkoop

Thanks, J - but you do know that a morel is a type of mushroom, right?

Sure do! I made a mushroom risotto last week with morels. YUM.
Sorry I was too lazy to look up the proper name. Thanks for the plate of Hanriots and Ponniers, I haven't seen that before. Mr. Ian-Turney's model I have seen.

J

jtisch · 11 December 2005, 12:53 AM

Morane-Borel!! That's the one!

J

Gil · 11 December 2005, 01:04 AM

Eric,

Fletcher has Ponnier under French aircraft on the CD. The craft in your reference appears to be the Hanriot of 1912(?) on the same CD. The front views don't show any real detail. I suspect that your having issue with the support structure in between the prop and the cowl. Wonder what it was for?

-Gil

EricGoedkoop · 11 December 2005, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc

Pagny seems to have been a designer for the Hanriot company, and he probably stayed with the company after it was bought by Ponnier after the Concours Militaire.

I wonder if he was associated with Nieuport prior to joining Hanriot or just easily "inspired".

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Originally Posted by Gil

I suspect that your having issue with the support structure in between the prop and the cowl. Wonder what it was for?

My guess is that it kept the cowl from flying apart. That fitting isn't worrying me as much as the overall shape of the cowling. It's generally similar to the early Nieuports, but the Flugsport drawing indicates a larger flat face and a larger radius around the top. Translating this one to paper oughta be fun . . . .