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Old 22 October 2007, 08:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Early Russian aeroplanes photo album



Aeroplanes designed by Russian engineers. 33 rare photographs.
Аэропланы конструкции русских инженеров



Биплан князя Кудашева.
Prince Kudashev's biplane.



Авиатор и инженер И.И.Сикорский в кабине биплана своей конструкции.
Aviator and engineer I. I. Sikorsky in the cockpit (!?) of a biplane of his own design.



Общий вид биплана конструкции авиаинженера Демкина; размах верхнего клапана биплана- 8м, нижнего клапана- 4,6м, длина- 7м, вес- 128кг, мотор "Анзани"- 25 лошадиных сил.
Biplane designed by aviation engineer Demkin, wing span (upper) 8 m; wing span (lower) 4.6 m; length 7 m; weight 128 kg; engine 25 hp Anzani.
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WOW! these are great, yavor! thanks for posting. how did you acquire this rare photo album?
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As I sais much before- Russian archives are unexplored treasure. As well Soviet troops overrun house and place of MRV i wonder what finding will be made in future.

In my search I have never find info about the first Russian airplane flight held by the end of 19. century. Did you get anything Yavor? It is interesting to note types dated on 1900 and here it is one sample:

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WOW! these are great, yavor! thanks for posting. how did you acquire this rare photo album?
Sorry, AAC Cadet Leader! I am not an owner of this treasure. All you see are links to St Petersburg Central Government Cinema-Photo-Audio Documents Archive (Централный государственный архив кинофотофонодокументов Санкт-Петербурга).

Hi Sreiko,
1900 is a placeholder, it should be read as "from 1900 to 1910" in my opinion. Exact dates and places for this album remain unknown.
There are lot of texts and drawings concerning Mozhaiskiy (Александр Федорович Можайский) aeroplane but I am not in a position to recommend a good one.

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Sure!!! I don't know Russian language, just use similarity as Slavic base with my language, so I make omission in this way. But to regret even you could not locate very precise data about Mozayski...

Nice topis anyway Yavor
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Nieuport IIN ("Ньюпор" учебный)


Общий вид моноплана "Ньюпорт"; размах крыльев моноплана - 8,7м, длина- 8м, общая несущая поверхность- 14кв.м, мотор "Ньюпорт"- 28 лошадиных сил.


Общий вид моноплана "Ньюпорт".

Two rare photographs from Russia displaying Nieuport IIN with a Nieuport engine, about 1911/1912. Shavrov repots 40 to 50 Nieuport II and III monoplanes used for pilot training.

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Nieuport IIN ("Ньюпор" учебный)
28/32 hp at 1300 rpm two-cylinder horizontally opposed air-cooled engine.
Length 7.5 (8.0) m; Wing span 8,4 (8.7) m; Wing area 14 sq.m;
Weight empty 225 kg; Fuel 20 kg; Oil 10 kg; Useful load 145 kg; Take-off weight 400 kg;
Maximum speed sea level 109 km/h; Climb time to 1000 m 25 min; Endurance 3 hours.

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V. B. Shavrov (1986) History of Aircraft Design in USSR before 1938. 3rd edition. Mashinostroenie, Moscow, pp. 157, 158, 674, 675.
В. Б. Шавров (1986) История Конструкций самолетов в СССР до 1938 г. 3-е изд. Машиностоение, Москва, стр. 157, 158, 674, 675.

Ray Sanger (2002) Nieuport Aircraft of World War One. The Crowood Press, pp. 18/20.
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Общий вид биплана ( разборного "Фармана" конструкции братьев А. и В. Лебедевых) с гондолой для трех пассажиров и двойным управлением.

PTA (ПТА) No. 1 military biplane 1911
PTA (ПТА) is an abbreviation from First Aviation Company (Первое Товарищество Авиации) Lomach & Co (Ломач и Ко; contemporary spelling was "Ломачъ"). Design based on Henri Farman IV modified for easy dismantling and erection according to the 1911 military requirements. Aeroplane displayed on public in early 1911 and flown by V. A. Lebedev (В. А. Лебедев).

Specs:
50 hp Gnome engine;
Wing span (up/low) 14.0/10.0 m; Wing area 55 sq.m.;
Weight empty 390 kg; Fuel and Oil 30 kg; Take-off weight 500 kg;
Maximum speed (sea level) 80 km/h.

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V. B. Shavrov (1986) History of Aircraft Design in USSR before 1938. 3rd edition. Mashinostroenie, Moscow, pp. 91, 92, 650.
В. Б. Шавров (1986) История Конструкций самолетов в СССР до 1938 г. 3-е изд. Машиностоение, Москва, стр. 91, 92, 650.
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