Jacob Ellehammer plane?

Kilian · 27 March 2008, 05:31 PM

Does somebody know what a plane this is? Is it a design of Ellehammer?

BR
Kilian

Varese2002 · 28 March 2008, 01:21 AM

Hi Kilian, surely this is a Taube-based machine. As there were probably 80 to 100 different types it takes some time to decypher this one exactly. Beautiful picture, any data where / when the picture was taken?

Cheers

Kees

Kilian · 28 March 2008, 05:01 AM

Hi Kees.

Sorry i forgot to mention its from 1908. I just found the image caption from Library of Congressis

Quote:

[Danish aviator, Jacob Christian Ellehammer, in his monoplane surrounded by ground crew. Kiel, Germany. 1908

but i hadnt saved these detail on my hard disc. I wonder if the date can be correct. I read in a referenced wiki article that Ellehammer made a monoplane already in 1905 and in 1906 a semi biplane. So i wonder if this is his first monoplane or a later model.

Kilian

Varese2002 · 28 March 2008, 05:34 AM

Kilian, descriptions of pictures from the LC are notoriously faulty or unthrustworthy [this one is probably from the Baines collection]. There is full description of the output of Ellehammer here. You will see that his output differed appreciably from the Taube form seen on the picture.

The date given as 1908 is highly dubious, I think seeing this Taube like plane we are looking in 1910 / 1911. The first real Etrich Taubes emerged in winter 1909/1910.

Interesting picture though. Look also at the small wheels at the wing tips which are surely copied from the Taube. Faselage is non standaard , being very thin and almost limited to the necessary front part to seat the pilot.

Cheers

Kees

Kilian · 28 March 2008, 09:24 AM

Thanks for the link, very informative.

Kilian

Rod_Filan · 28 March 2008, 10:30 AM

AFAIK Ellehammer built only 3 aeroplanes. First was a monoplane, followed by a biplane, then a triplane. I'm not sure I have a photograph of the triplane, but I'll post a photo of his biplane tonight. For now...here is the monoplane :

Cheers
Rod

Rod_Filan · 28 March 2008, 05:19 PM

As foretold, the Ellehammer biplane...

Cheers

Kilian · 28 March 2008, 05:22 PM

Thanks Rod

Varese2002 · 29 March 2008, 06:41 AM

Kilian, it needed a huge amount of time to identify this one but it is the Etrich III Möwe here photographed at the airfield of Wiener-Neustadt in 1910. The picture can even be dated as July 10th, 1910 !
This very early development of Etrich made its first flight on May 31, 1910. As can be seen from this pictures the machine had a newly designed wing tensioning ('Flügelverspannung'), looking very elaborate. In later Etrich Taubes the comp[lexity of this rigging was very reduced.
At first the machine was fitted with a (normal) car engine - an Austro Daimler 70 hp. Later was fitted the specially designed aviation engine by Ing. Ferdinand Porsche (Also Austro-Daimler) which delivered 60 hp., but was probably appreciably lighter.
The machine got first prize on the Erste Östereiche Flugmeeting in Wiener Neustadt with the greatest height (184 meter) on July 10th, 1910.

The Library of Congress picture is probably one out of a series as I found another one taken just before or after the LC one.

I think the LC picture has got in the wrong folder (Ellehammer) years ago in the times of the Baines agency. The LC just got all these pictures for preservation (excellent work) but had of course no time and/or expertise to re-evaluate or catalog it.

Cheers

Kees

Rod_Filan · 29 March 2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Varese2002

Kilian, it needed a huge amount of time to identify this one but it is the Etrich III Möwe here photographed at the airfield of Wiener-Neustadt in 1910. The picture can even be dated as July 10th, 1910 !

Excellent work Kees. Although, I'm a bit surprised with all the detailed information you found on this Taube, that the pilot wasn't identified.

Cheers
Rod