Handley Page 5 type E -- Yellow Peril

Michael Scheetz · 30 October 2008, 01:26 PM

Need help locating information and details for the HP-5. I've been drooling over old photos that I've garnished from the internet. It is so intriguing! But I'm lacking a lot of the details: critical to building a replica would be the airfoil, spars, instrument panel, controls...

Any suggestions or clues would be greatly appreciated.

Would records of pioneer or pre-war AC be available at the Imperial War Museum in London or at the PRO library there?

A remarkable 1:72 scale model was made by Karen Rychlewski. HP-5 model

Klaus in Bavaria has built an excellent, large 1:3 scale RC. Klaus' RC

I've learned that RC plans are available in a Nov 1994 Aeromodeler mag. I believe that Klaus built his from those plans, but no clue how authentic they are compared to the origional AC. My next step is to order the plans.

The AC was considered underpowered through its developmental stages (50 hp Gnome 7-cy.) Would it be concievable (or overkill) to put in a 100-110 hp radial given the amount of air resistant cables are whistling through the air?

There doesn't seem to be many 7-cyl radials available... Rotec and ??
Chech's are manufacturing 3 and 5-cyl radials but Pavel (Vancouver, BC) suggests that they are still in development stages and need to prove themselves first. See descriptions on Pavel Novak's web site at Zlin Firewall Forward

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Observing,
Fee2b
Michael Scheetz

Varese2002 · 31 October 2008, 12:55 AM

Your best bet is search and looking through early issues from Flight (1912 - 1914).

Interesting information on the Handley Page Monoplane can for instance be found here.

Beware to search on Handley Page Monoplane and shrink the search to 1912 - 1914 in the beginning.

Cheers

Kees

Michael Scheetz · 31 October 2008, 12:47 PM

Thank you Kees for the reference. It is wonderful information.

I love the internet! This is facinating to have so many like-minded friends around the world.

Michael
Fee2b

SCMc · 31 October 2008, 05:36 PM

Hi Michael,

The Handley page is a beautiful plane. I enjoy the early bird-winged planes. It would be great to see one flying.

Arizona Models has two drawings of the Handley-Page monoplane in their Free Reference Drawing section. One is from "Flight" the other is from "Flugsport" (1913). The Flugsport drawing provides a lot of dimensions, but no airfoil. Perhaps there is more in the original article

Steve

rainbase · 1 November 2008, 01:49 AM

An HP Taube! How cool is that?

Varese2002 · 1 November 2008, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCMc

Hi Michael,

The Handley page is a beautiful plane. I enjoy the early bird-winged planes. It would be great to see one flying.

Arizona Models has two drawings of the Handley-Page monoplane in their Free Reference Drawing section. One is from "Flight" the other is from "Flugsport" (1913). The Flugsport drawing provides a lot of dimensions, but no airfoil. Perhaps there is more in the original article

Steve

Hi Steve, Flugsport 1913 only gives the very detailed drawing of the Handley Page, no seperate article about the machine. The Handley Page drawing is number VII in a series.

Chances are better in the Flight issue

, which most likely has a lot of pictures / drawings and text about the machine.

Cheers

Kees

Varese2002 · 1 November 2008, 01:15 PM

The Flight article on the Handley Pahe monoplane is in the issue of October 26, 1912 starting here. Much detail there (5 page article) but nothing about the airfoil

Cheers

Kees

Michael Scheetz · 2 November 2008, 08:32 PM

Kees,

Thanks again for doing the research. I've measured my woodwork shop and have room to build and store the 20-ft wings. The fuselage will barely fit on a diagonal... Wood and fabric... my heart is going thump-thump and my smile is getting bigger and bigger.

Believe it or not, my wife even likes it!

observing,

Fee2b
Michael

Varese2002 · 2 November 2008, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fee2b

Kees,

Thanks again for doing the research. I've measured my woodwork shop and have room to build and store the 20-ft wings. The fuselage will barely fit on a diagonal... Wood and fabric... my heart is going thump-thump and my smile is getting bigger and bigger.

Believe it or not, my wife even likes it!

observing,

Fee2b
Michael

Hi Michael, please keep us posted on your odyssee to build this plane. Sure you were born too late

, because I stumbled on a contemporary advertisement from Handley Page where they advertised the Handley Page Monoplane for £ 375.

One (small) advice. The Handley Page Type E Monoplane appeared in different versions during its journey in time. Starting is a plane with wing warping it ended up with ailerons (quite a heavy modification). Also the shape of the rudder changed in time (two versions of them).

Have a good time designing / drawing and building this machine. Probably the whole Forum will be watching you

Cheers

Kees

SCMc · 2 November 2008, 10:26 PM

Quote:

One (small) advice. The Handley Page Type E Monoplane appeared in different versions during its journey in time. Starting is a plane with wing warping it ended up with ailerons (quite a heavy modification). Also the shape of the rudder changed in time (two versions of them).

Hi Kees,

I was curious about that. The Flugsport drawing matched the photo that Michael posted above, with wingwarping and a rectangular vertical stabilizer. Munson's drawing (also posted above) shows ailerons and a modified stabilizer. I think that the modified stabilizer has a much more graceful look, and complements the lines of the wings, but I had only seen it in this drawing. Do you know of any photos or technical drawings of the later version?

Steve