Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #003

[joegertler]

Here is an aircraft that flew, as shown in the photo image.

The (preliminary) rules:

•The thread title must be "Bréguet's pre-1914 ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....)
•There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built
•The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion)
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Score Board:
1.00 Airarticles
1.00 joegertler

[Airarticles]

Hmm, I would say that we are looking to a Dorner Eindecker (monoplane) from Germany.

Cheers

Milan

[Froggy]

Bonjour

I think you are right Airarticles

DORNER MONOPLANE < History of Airplanes


Cordialement
Bruno

[joegertler]

Another full point goes to Airarticles. This time there was a slight advantage to those in Europe, as I posted it at nearly 3A.M. in the morning, in U.S.
The Dorner monoplane was a well known sight around Johannistahl. Georg Schendel set a German record for altitude, af 2010 Meters 6 June, 1911, and a World Altitude record with passenger, of 1690 Meters 9 June, 1911, in his Dorner. Type II had a 20PS Dorner-Motor and cost 13,500 Marks. Type III came with 40PS Dorner-Motor @ 15,500 Marks, or 50PS @ 16,500 Marks. And the T.III version had a fatal accident for both passenger and pilot on 9 June, 1911 at Johannistahl. This photo is unaltered and scanned directly from the Original 1912 Dorner Company brochure.
I think we are going to have to look for more obscure aircraft. The first three took very little time to identify.

Now it is up to Airarticles to post the next challenge.
Score Board:
2.00 Airarticles
1.00 joegertler

[SCMc]

Are there more photos of this plane? I like the lines of the wing and tail plane.

Steve

[joegertler]

Brochure only has a couple close-ups of pilots in the fuselage tube-framing. I'll have to take a look at my batch of early (from first one in 1909 and on..) Johannistahl aero meet programs. I think there is a good chance there may be some Dorner photos in those..I agree, about nice-looking wings & tail. If they were attached to a more conventional long/narrow covered fusealge, it would be a beauty.

[Airarticles]

In my store I have some photos of Dorner monoplane so here they are. And next challenge will come in several minutes. I hope it will not be easy. We will see in the morning (of course here in Central Europe).

[joegertler]

Originally Posted by Airarticles

In my store I have some photos of Dorner ).

This is Very interesting, Airarticles. Do you have a store with aviation memorabilia and/or collectibles or books? Do you have any lists? Do you have any images or items on a website or on the Internet?

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Airarticles

Hmm, I would say that we are looking to a Dorner Eindecker (monoplane) from Germany.

Cheers

Milan

Although the answer is correct, one of the rules has not been followed.

To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.

This rule is specially made to give insight and method to the identification of a machine. There must be an answer for the question: 'what is so characteristic of this machine that it must be a Dorner monoplane' ?

I will refer this point to Breguet.

Cheers

Kees

[joegertler]

Hi Kees;
I am thinking that mentioning the distinguishing feature that helped ID the aircraft would be very important in distinguishing one Sopwith (or others) from another. But I assumed it is fairly obvious that the distinguishing features here-the wing shape and the open fuselage helped to ID the Dorner so quickly.
But a point to be observed in future challenges is now emphasized.. Up to Breguet, of course.