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25 January 2009, 06:32 AM
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Breguet's pre-1914 ID Challenge #020
Welcome to the 20. edition of Breguet’s pre-1914 ID Challenge!
There were various aircraft designes in the time, but this time a have a little airship for you.
Who can tell me what it is?
the scoreboard after challenge #19 is:
4.50 Varese2002
3.20 RBailey
3.00 Airarticles
2.00 Cruze
1.90 Aquilius
1.60 matte_kudasai
1.50 richard B
1.00 joegertler
1.00 paolomiana
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires
0.30 aerohydro
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The rules:
•The thread title must be "Bréguet's pre-1914 ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....)
•There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built
•Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
•The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion)
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet
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Good luck for your quest
Aquilius
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25 January 2009, 06:38 AM
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Bonjour ŕ tous
It's the japanese experimental 700m3 airship YAMADA built in 1909/10.
50hp motor ,30m length,speed :22km/h
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25 January 2009, 09:38 AM
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According to Mikesh and Abe, the Yamada No.1 had a capacity of 1600 m3 and was powered by a 14 hp automobile engine. The challenge is distinguished from the No.2 by the larger under-fin.
This quote comes from I"ndia Rubber World" of 1911.
"MR. ISABUKO Y.WIADA'S AIKSHIP.
For days and weeks, past "Yamada's airship'' sailed for two or
three miles over the country in the neighborhood of Tokyo, at
a height of 700 or 1,000 feet.
A very enthusiastic and practical aviator is Mr. Isaburo
Yamada, who is a member of the family of Mr. S. Yamada, editor
of the "Gomu Shimpo," the Japanese rubber organ. His first plans
for an airship were drawn as early as 1896, and after si.x years'
study, he accomplished in 1902 the construction of a relatively
successful model. Further improving it, he finally achieved
such a degree of perfection as to warrant its being adopted by
the military authorities of Japan, as the first Japanese airship.
In 1905, it was used during the Russo-Japanese war for the pur-
pose of looking down upon the fortifications of Port Arthur.
Subsequently taking up for his own account the construction of
airships, he turned out No. 1 in the summer of 1910, afterwards
devoting his attention to No. 2, which was completed by spring,
1911 ; its anticipated flight being, however, delayed by bad weather
until May. No. 3 was ready by the middle of July, 1911.
The fabric of silk and rubber used in these airships, is made
by Mr. Yamada himself; being composed of Habutai (a kind of
silk cloth covered with a thin coating of rubber). Great resistance
to heat and absence of weight is claimed for this material, which
the inventor is proud to have originated. "
Last edited by Rbailey; 25 January 2009 at 09:49 AM.
Reason: added quote
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25 January 2009, 09:41 AM
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Asnwered in record time!
Only 6 minutes!
Whereas I'm loosing points without proving my entries, I won't be so sticky to the rules here.
Let's say the 50 hp engine is visible.
Richard, you gave all the caption I have on this design.
Any additional information is welcomed.
(seems I need to change my sources...  )
Aquilius
Last edited by Aquilius; 25 January 2009 at 09:47 AM.
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25 January 2009, 09:57 AM
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Seems I need to make change here!
My source "Taschenbuch der Luftflotten - Die Luftschiffe 1914" by F. Rasch & W. Hormel does not give anything else than Richard offered.
But digging deeper in the subject and offering an ID feature
I will allot 0.3 points to Rbailey.
Your source sounds to be of japanese origin?
I think that might be more reliable than a german mention.
I haven't heard of a No.1 or No.2 till now.
Did they serve until 1914 as my collection suggests?
So finally:
0.7 and next challenge to Richard
0.3 to Rbailey
That makes a new scoreboard after challenge #20:
4.50 Varese2002
3.50 Rbailey
3.00 Airarticles
2.20 richard B
2.00 Cruze
1.90 Aquilius
1.60 matte_kudasai
1.00 joegertler
1.00 paolomiana
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires
0.30 aerohydro
So Richard, I hand it over to you again!
Cheers
Aquilius
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25 January 2009, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rbailey
This quote comes from I"ndia Rubber World" of 1911.
"MR. ISABUKO Y.WIADA'S AIKSHIP.
For days and weeks, past "Yamada's airship'' sailed for two or
three miles over the country in the neighborhood of Tokyo, at
a height of 700 or 1,000 feet.
A very enthusiastic and practical aviator is Mr. Isaburo
Yamada, who is a member of the family of Mr. S. Yamada, editor
of the "Gomu Shimpo," the Japanese rubber organ. His first plans
for an airship were drawn as early as 1896, and after si.x years'
study, he accomplished in 1902 the construction of a relatively
successful model. Further improving it, he finally achieved
such a degree of perfection as to warrant its being adopted by
the military authorities of Japan, as the first Japanese airship.
In 1905, it was used during the Russo-Japanese war for the pur-
pose of looking down upon the fortifications of Port Arthur.
Subsequently taking up for his own account the construction of
airships, he turned out No. 1 in the summer of 1910, afterwards
devoting his attention to No. 2, which was completed by spring,
1911 ; its anticipated flight being, however, delayed by bad weather
until May. No. 3 was ready by the middle of July, 1911.
The fabric of silk and rubber used in these airships, is made
by Mr. Yamada himself; being composed of Habutai (a kind of
silk cloth covered with a thin coating of rubber). Great resistance
to heat and absence of weight is claimed for this material, which
the inventor is proud to have originated. "
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Just now I see your annex.
Thanks a lot for bringing the story in here.
I hope everybody will be fine with my judgement.
Cheers
Aquilius
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