Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #033

[Aquilius]

Here is the next show!

What do you have on this aircraft?



The scoreboard is:

6.30 Rbailey
5.40 Varese2002 ===> 12 hour wait

4.20 Aquilius =====> immediate answer
4.20 richard B
3.00 Airarticles
3.00 Cruze
2.30 matte_kudasai
1.60 aerohydro
1.00 Doc
1.00 joegertler
1.00 paolomiana
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires

The rules:

•The thread title must be "Bréguet's pre-1914 ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
•The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....)
•There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built
•Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
•The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion)
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet

Good luck!

Aquilius

[matte_kudasai]

I remember this photo in Flight, 1910 of aircraft with biplane elevator, low placed biplane wings, man sitting between planes and big wheels.
That's an article from Flight:

AN INDIAN BIPLANE.

We have yours giving us names of motor engines, for which we are much obliged, and in return we are posting you photograph of what we believe is the first aeroplane in India, which has been constructed by one of our customers, a Mr. C. D'Angelis, of Madras. The machine has been built by our friend entirely from his own designs, and we understand that although up to the present he has been experimenting with a small horse-power engine, the results given by this are so satisfactory that with a higher horsepower he anticipates being able to make long and consecutive flights.

[matte_kudasai]

I will out of town until evening 23 february, so, if I win and you don't want to wait tree days, let someone else will post next challenge.

[Aquilius]

Matte, you are right!
The indian D´Angelis it is.


...and I tried to make the picture not to look that "flight-alike".


Is there somebody who knows anything more about?
Apart from that it could have flown longer with a better engine.



Of course full score to matte_kudasai.

That makes a scorebaord after challenge #33:


6.30 Rbailey
5.40 Varese2002 ===> 12 hour wait

4.20 Aquilius =====> immediate answer
4.20 richard B
3.30 matte_kudasai
3.00 Airarticles
3.00 Cruze
1.60 aerohydro
1.00 Doc
1.00 joegertler
1.00 paolomiana
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires


Since Matte took some frontline-holidays, will someone else lead us through the next misson?

This is also an invitation to people who are not in the scoreboard yet.
(But let me tell you, it will be hard to get on the board then. )


Cheers

Aquilius

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Aquilius

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Is there somebody who knows anything more about?
Apart from that it could have flown longer with a better engine.
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The letter published in Flight March 26, 1910 is very long on words but much less on facts

The machine has been built by our friend entirely from his own designs, and we understand that although up to the present he has been experimenting with a small horse-power engine, the results given by this are so satisfactory that with a higher horsepower he anticipates being able to make long and consecutive flights.

Apparently there was no flight till the letter was published, otherwise it was surely mentioned in this letter, which seems to be written by the seller of the engines used in this machine.

In actual fact the first flight in India was made on December 10, 1910 in a Blériot Type XI piloted by Mr. Davies. More information on the first flight(s) in India is here.

The odds are that this Indian Biplane disappeared without flying at all, leaving no trace into Indian history. Looking at the published picture of the machine, the undercarriage looks decidedly very weak, sothat it may have already cracked on taxying around. If it had flown, before December 10, 1910, there would be more letters published in Flight.

Cheers

Kees

[Breguet]

An administrative issue has arisen with the challenges. It is difficult for ROD, who so generously keeps our lists for us, to update them when the answers can be hidden amongst many posts. To help solve this problem can the challenge host when posting the scorboard also post the answer. For example:

The scoreboard after challenge #032 - Ask-Nyrop Monoplane No.1 "Gräshoppan" - is:

To reflect this "The Rules" should now be displayed thus:

•The thread title must be "Bréguet's pre-1914 ID challenge #......"
•The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
•The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....)
•There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built
•Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
•The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion)
•Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
•If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
•Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
•To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
•The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
•If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
•The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet


Thank-You.