Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #038

[matte_kudasai]

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #037

6.30 Rbailey
5.40 Varese2002
5.30 matte_kudasai ===> 12 hour wait

4.20 Aquilius =====> immediate answer
4.20 richard B
3.10 aerohydro
3.00 Airarticles
3.00 Cruze
1.00 Doc
1.00 joegertler
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 YavorD
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires
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Reference list held by Rod Filan: Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge™
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Breguet's Rules

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....)
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion)
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet

[Flamingo]

It looks like a Curtiss Reims Racer!
Biplane front rudder, V-engine, square wing tips and it got the typical Curtiss struts at the forward end.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by matte_kudasai

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #037

6.30 Rbailey
5.40 Varese2002
4.30 matte_kudasai ===> 12 hour wait

4.20 Aquilius =====> immediate answer
4.20 richard B
3.10 aerohydro
3.00 Airarticles
3.00 Cruze
1.00 Doc
1.00 joegertler
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 YavorD
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires
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I do not comprehend how this could be, but sure Matte_Kudasai has accumulated 5.30 points!

I wonder if any accountants are watching critically over the results of this Challenge

Cheers

Kees

[sobrien]

matte_kudasai,

Can I ask were this replica is? I have not seen it before. Is there a better quality picture available? I have been researching and collecting information for my own full scale replica of either the Curtiss Golden Flyer or Reims Racer.

Sean

[matte_kudasai]

Originally Posted by sobrien

Can I ask were this replica is?

That's a part of the Challenge
Sure, this airplane is inspired by Curtiss design, but this is not the Curtiss. Knowledge about place, where this replica is, gives a big hint for answer

PS. Kees, thank you for the hint about missed point.

[aerohydro]

This is a tough one. Not knowing where the museum is, doesn't help either! Does look a lot like a classic Glenn Curtiss biplane, but the ailerons are fitted to the front struts, not the rear ones.

I would like to suggest that it's a Herring-Curtiss Biplane, dating from around 1910.

According to this webpage, detailed plans of the Herring-Curtiss Biplane were available through a variety of sources, so that people could build their own copy of it. Perhaps the subject of this Challenge was made in exactly this way.

Cheers,
Paul

[matte_kudasai]

Sorry, not a Herring-Curtiss.
The prototype of this replica was built in USA in 1911 and then goes to his country along with it's designer.

[Rbailey]

Feng Ru flyer - National Aviation Museum in Nanking. Feng Ru (or Fong Yue) built a couple of aircraft inthe US, then returned to China with a couple of Curtiss types and went into aviation there. Very Curtiss-like, but some differences in the front elevator assembly. But the real clincher is the picture of it on the web.

[matte_kudasai]

Congratulation, RBailey!
This is one of Feng Rue airplanes (to be exact, Feng Rue #2, while first had monoplane front elevator). I've attached some more photos of his aircrafts.
Too sad that Feng Rue was killed in a crash in 1912.

PS. It's time for Kees who should post a link to hieroglyph-filled page with photos of these aircrafts

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Answer is Feng Rue #2 in Nanking air museum.
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Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #038

7.30 Rbailey
5.40 Varese2002
5.30 matte_kudasai ===> 12 hour wait

4.20 Aquilius =====> immediate answer
4.20 richard B
3.10 aerohydro
3.00 Airarticles
3.00 Cruze
1.00 Doc
1.00 joegertler
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 YavorD
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires
_________________________________________________

Reference list held by Rod Filan: Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge™
_________________________________________________

Breguet's Rules

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....)
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion)
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet

[Rbailey]

This may be of some interest.
History of aviation in a China that never was - China History Forum, Chinese History Forum

This was an interesting challenge.

By the way, what is the source of your pictures?