Breguet's pre-1914 ID challenge #044

[Flamingo]

Welcome to the next round, here is your challenge:




Scoreborad after challenge #043 - FSV 10 (glider) - is:

7.80 Rbailey
6.40 Varese2002
5.30 matte_kudasai
5.20 Aquilius ===> 12 hours wait

4.20 richard B =====> immediate answer
4.00 Cruze
3.70 aerohydro
3.00 Airarticles
1.00 Doc
1.00 Flamingo
1.00 joegertler
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 YavorD
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires

Previous Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge

Breguet's Rules

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....)
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion)
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Rbailey]

One of Aurel Vlaicu’s early machines – No.II I believe. The leading elevator with semi-circular vertical surfaces is distinctive. as is the stick-like "fuselage" carrying the triangular tail as well as the front assembly. (I suppose the true "fuselage is below, carrying the engine and pilot.)

[Rod_Filan]

Don't forget guys, this is actually Challenge #044.

Next challenge will be #045.
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Cheers
Rod

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

One of Aurel Vlaicu’s early machines – No.II I believe. The leading elevator with semi-circular vertical surfaces is distinctive. as is the stick-like "fuselage" carrying the triangular tail as well as the front assembly. (I suppose the true "fuselage is below, carrying the engine and pilot.)

Exactly the second machine of the brilliant Rumanian Aurel Vlaicu, dating from 1911 (his original machine was from 1910). The most distinguishing feature was the now fully enclosed nacelle. In the front of the nacelle was the rotary engine (Gnome 7-cylinder delivering 50 hp) driving the two propellers via a chain.

The second model was shorter than the first and used more advanced propellers. This machine participated in the June 1912 competition at Aspern flying field Vienna. The flying shot might come from that competition.

The designations Vlaicu Nr.1, 2 and 3 are of course spurious designations, allotted years later by writers / historians to differentiate between machines.

Cheers

Kees

[Flamingo]

Of couse this is #44, I copied and pasted the title but forgot to change the last digit! I contacted the moderators to change it.

Yes, it is Aurel Vlaicu's second machine which was quite a good performer. One interesting feature was the single piece of fabric stretched flat above the wing structure and being "blown" to a cambered profile by the slipstream!

All I have is from WW1 Aero No 159, has someone better drawings?

A replica is in the Muzeul Militar Central in Bucharest

Lotnictwo.net - zdjêcia

Full point and congratulations to Rbailey who will post the next challenge #45

Scoreborad after challenge #044 - Vlaicu 2 - is:

8.80 Rbailey
6.40 Varese2002
5.30 matte_kudasai
5.20 Aquilius ===> 12 hours wait

4.20 richard B =====> immediate answer
4.00 Cruze
3.70 aerohydro
3.00 Airarticles
1.00 Doc
1.00 Flamingo
1.00 joegertler
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 YavorD
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires

[Rbailey]

See here for Vlaicu I: Vlaicu 1

and here for Vaiclu II: Aurel Vlaicu, comemorat de aviatori | Hunedoreanul

Also here: Aurel Vlaicu - Pagina municipiului Orastie

[Flamingo]

Thanks Rbailey for the links.

Did some more searching and found

Aurel Vlaicu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

which has a link to the English patent and if you click on original document you get a pdf file with some nice drawings!

[Rbailey]

Originally Posted by Varese2002

The designations Vlaicu Nr.1, 2 and 3 are of course spurious designations, allotted years later by writers / historians to differentiate between machines.

Cheers

Kees

That may be so; the resolution isn't too good, but the markings on the front look like they might be "No. II"

[Rod_Filan]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

That may be so; the resolution isn't too good, but the markings on the front look like they might be "No. II"

I agree RB. I've enlarged it (not that that helped much) and I take it as N° ll

So unless Flamingo, or anyone else, is opposed to it, I'll list it as exactly that.

A. Vlaicu N° ll
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Cheers

[Flamingo]

I agree 100%!