Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft ID Challenge # 046

[Airarticles]

Hi pre-1914 challengers

After a bit long time I have a possibility to introduce a new mystery early aircraft. See all those people happy preparing the early bird to fly!

Milan


Scoreboard after challenge #045 - Amiot 01 - is:

8.80 Rbailey
6.50 Varese2002
5.30 matte_kudasai
5.20 Aquilius ===> 12 hours wait

4.20 richard B =====> immediate answer
4.00 Cruze
3.9 Airarticles
3.70 aerohydro
1.00 Doc
1.00 Flamingo
1.00 joegertler
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 YavorD
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires

Previous Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge No.45: Amiot 01

Breguet's Rules

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....)
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion)
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Flamingo]

Vickers Monoplane No 1. "Some different engines were tried".

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Airarticles

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After a bit long time I have a possibility to introduce a new mystery early aircraft. See all those people happy preparing the early bird to fly!

Milan
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One of the happy people is of course the cigarette smoking airscrew swinger



Cheers

Kees

[Airarticles]

Hello searchers

Sorry, no Vickers, as a license of REP. This is the genuine design of another designer from another country.

Good hunt
Milan

[Flamingo]

Clement-Bayard???

[Varese2002]

Hi Flamingo, the Breguet Challenge is no shooting match in the dark . Please look at the rules

10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.

IMO this machine is located more in the Eastern part of Europe like Hungary (pre-1918 Austro-Hungary) or Serbia. I will try to come up with a reasoned solution.

Cheers

Kees

[Flamingo]

Clement-Bayard produced some monoplanes with similar fuselage shape!

[Aquilius]

Tricky that!

Without a matching picture, I only can throw in an educated guess.
Judging by the people and the engine I would rather place it in the eastern part of europe, as Kees told before.

4-cylinder inlines were not that common in France.
I'm not sure about an Argus engine - which more likely would be used in Russia, but it also might be a 65 hp Austro-Daimler or a Hiero engine.

The deep REP or Clement-Bayard-style fuse made me think of the monoplanes of the hungarian Gaze Kolbanyi.

He also used a central skid and sometimes placed a gravitiy tank between the tombstones and his aircraft usually had underfins. I can't decide for one of his models but I would say it is a design from 1911 or 1912.


Cheers

Aquilius

[Rbailey]

Kvasz II from wheels and especially fuel tank.

[Aquilius]

Rbailey, you are right!

It is the second monoplane of András Kvasz, who worked as an engineer for Aladár Zsélyi in Wiener-Neustadt from 1909 on. He started to built own aircraft in 1911.


Cheers

Aquilius