Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #058

[Froggy]

Bonjour à tous

Firrst time I post for Breguet Pre-war Pionneer
I hope it will be hard enough for you....

here is the beast..



Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #057 - Cody II Michelin Cup

12.20 Rbailey
8.00 Varese2002
6.00 Cruze
5.70 aerohydro
5.30 matte_kudasai
5.20 Aquilius ===> have to wait 12 hours

4.90 Airarticles =====> may start immediately
4.20 richard B
2.00 Flamingo
1.00 Doc
1.00 joegertler
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 YavorD
0.60 Froggy
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires

Previous Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge
Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge

The rules

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....)
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion)
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet

Cordialement
Bruno

[berman]

Looks like an early Glenn Curtiss pusher except that most had their engines mounted midway between the wings (at least the photos that I have on hand). The Silver Dart had the water cooled engine mounted on the lower wing but the rear longerons did not taper in triangular fashion like shown in this photo.???????

[joegertler]

It is the 1909 Fernandez Aeral,(Also referred to as No.3) powered by the 42hp ENV. The feature which identifies it, is the use of the wing-tip ailerons. It was considered to be a period copy of the Curtiss Pusher, of which there were many.Fernandez was killed in this aeroplane.

[Froggy]

yes joegertler you are right!

Antonio fernandez was a spanish Pionneer
He died 33 years old on 6 december 1909 with his Fernandez N°3
Aeral-Fernandez was the thirth aviator to be the victim of an aerial accident
after Eugene Lefevre (7/09/09) and Captain Ferber (22/09/09)
Here is his Aeral exposed in 1909 at Paris Grand Palais



Antonio Fernandez

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #058 - Fernandez Aeral-1909
12.20 Rbailey
8.00 Varese2002
6.00 Cruze
5.70 aerohydro
5.30 matte_kudasai
5.20 Aquilius ===> have to wait 12 hours

4.90 Airarticles =====> may start immediately
4.20 richard B
2.00 joegertler
2.00 Flamingo
1.00 Doc
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 YavorD
0.60 Froggy
0.50 Rod_Filan
0.40 Wind In The Wires


Cordialement
Bruno

[aerohydro]

Originally Posted by Froggy

Fernandez was the thirth aviator to be the victim of an aerial accident
after Eugene Lefevre (7/09/09) and Captain Ferber (22/09/09)

I take it that you're referring to just those killed whilst undertaking powered heavier-than-air flight. Fernandez, though, would have been at least the fourth aviation fatality, not the third:

17/09/08 - Thomas Selfridge - Wright Flyer - Fort Myers, Viriginia, USA
07/09/09 - Eugène Lefebvre - Wright Flyer - Juvisy, France
22/09/09 - Ferdinand Ferber - Ferber IX - Boulogne, France
06/12/09 - Antonio Fernandez - Aeral - Nice, France

Paul

[Rod_Filan]

Originally Posted by aerohydro

I take it that you're referring to just those killed whilst undertaking powered heavier-than-air flight. Fernandez, though, would have been at least the fourth aviation fatality, not the third:

Good eye Paul. Fixed it.
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Cheers

[Froggy]

Bonjour à tous

Sorry for my lack of precision !!
I wanted to say 3 rd aviator to be killed in France

Cordialement
Bruno