Breguet's Pre-1914 Challenge #75

[Breguet]

The link only had up to # 69 so I hope this hasn't already been done.


The scoreboard after challenge #074- Siemens Bourcart Biplane - is:

14.20 Rbailey
10.90 Varese2002
7.20 Aquilius
6.70 richard B
6.00 Cruze
5.70 aerohydro
5.50 Airarticles
5.30 matte_kudasai===> have to wait 12 hours

4.00 Flamingo =====> may start immediately
2.00 joegertler
1.50 Rod_Filan
1.00 Doc
1.00 Lodzermensch
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 YavorD
1.00 berman
0.60 Froggy
0.40 Wind In The Wires

Previous Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge

The rules:

1.The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....)
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion)
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet

[YavorD]

It should be the Karl Jatho's Doppeldecker "Motordrachen" from 1903 with 9/12 P.S. Buchet engine, rebuilt from the earlier Dreidecker (damaged on August 21, 1903). Recognition features were uneven span wings, belt-drive pusher propeller.
Regards,
Yavor

[Breguet]

Well done Yavor!!

The scoreboard after challenge #075- Karl Jatho's Doppeldecker "Motordrachen" - is:

14.20 Rbailey
10.90 Varese2002
7.20 Aquilius
6.70 richard B
6.00 Cruze
5.70 aerohydro
5.50 Airarticles
5.30 matte_kudasai===> have to wait 12 hours

4.00 Flamingo =====> may start immediately
2.00 joegertler
2.00 YavorD
1.50 Rod_Filan
1.00 Doc
1.00 Lodzermensch
1.00 paolomiana

1.00 berman
0.60 Froggy
0.40 Wind In The Wires

Previous Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge

The rules:

1.The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....)
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion)
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet

[YavorD]

In order to stretch the topic a bit further, I am curious what hapened between 1904 and 1909 when another Karl Jatho's design appeared? Lack of sponsors? I am in no position to find anything about this gap. Any clues where to look for?
Thank you!
Yavor

[aerohydro]

For a Jatho site, one that features a lot of photos, click here.

There is a book on Karl Jatho and his place in aviation history:

Karl Jathos erster Motorflug 1903
by Wolfgang Leonhardt
Books on Demand 2002
ISBN 3831134995

The German Amazon.de website allows viewers to have a sneak peakinside the book. I have a copy: it's very comprehensive publication, probably too much so. It seems to include information on everything but the kitchen sink.

Paul

[Flamingo]

aerohydro

nice site on Jatho, but I was surprised to learn that at one time in his life he had such a striking similarity with...James Stewart!

[YavorD]

Thank you, aerohydro!
Yavor

[Varese2002]

The Karl Jatho 1903 Biplane was exhibited in the Deutsche Luftfahrtsammlung Berlin, as can be seen from a scan of a probably very rare 1937 leaflet of the museum, presented here. From this enormous collection miraculously a few survived and most of them or in the Cracow Museum.

The Jatho biplane, together with lots of other originals and probably an enormous library and archive did not survice the war, AFAIK.

Perhaps there is something about the Jatho machine in the DLS in the Jatho book, surely as it gives everything ....

Cheers

Kees