Breguet's pre-1914 ID Challenge #094

[Aquilius]

Okay guys, a little later than planned,
but here comes Breguet's pre-1914 ID Challenge #094!

You know the prodere - what, who, where?

Good luck!

The scoreboard is:

16.60 Rbailey
12.20 Varese2002
9.20 Aquilius
6.70 aerohydro
6.70 richard B
6.30 matte_kudasai
6.00 Cruze
6.00 YavorD
5.50 Airarticles ===> have to wait 12 hours

4.00 Flamingo ==> may start immediately
3.30 Rod_Filan
2.00 berman
2.00 joegertler
2.00 Lodzermensch
1.10 Froggy
1.00 Doc
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 sobrien
0.40 Wind In The Wires

The rules of engagement:

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Earlier Challenges are to find here: Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge




Aquilius

[aerohydro]

This is the flying machine designed and built by Emil Némethy of Aral, Hungary in 1904.

Here's some text to describe the machine. Apparently, when launched from a height of 10m, it could fly for 40m. Presumably desirous of better preformance, in 1907 Mr Nemethy came up with another machine. This one was profiled in "Scientific American" (includes photo).

Cheers,
Paul

[Aquilius]

Hmmm, Paul, you compiled the main part to this one.

But I'm not satisfied at all with the answers given.
According to a domestic source I must ask you to check again the simple questions - What? Who? Where? When?


Cheers

Aquilius

[aerohydro]

Okay, I have done some more 'research' (ie, I looked in a book) and am revising my answers. I am now somewhat sure that the machine in this ID Challenge question actually pre-dates the 1904 machine I had initially thought it to be.

What? - Flugrad
Who? - Emil Némethy
Where? - Aral, Hungary
When? - 1899

Is this enough? More importantly, is it correct?!

Cheers,
Paul

[Aquilius]

Now you have it Paul!


There seem to be a delay of about three years from the the appearance of Némethy's designs to the mention of it with Scientific American.

This machine was built by Emil von Némethy (as R.Keimel gives his name) who owned a factory in Arad (today Romania), though I don't know what kind of factory that was. The construction of his "Flugrad" (flying wheel) started somewhen in 1899 but it was completed in 1901.
As this design does not look that complicated I believe he had some problems with his gasoline engine.
Then the picture is obviously a montage. It never flew and I don't think it would have, even if started from a roof.

Némethy belived his roof-like wing designs would create an "airbearing" (Ger. Luftkeil) below that would carry his machine. A second creation appeared in 1903 (pictured in the 1907 Scientific American article) and the last one in 1910 but Némethy had to give up his trials after the Anzani engine was damaged and he run out of money.


Paul, you repeated your typo with the city "Arad" but I would never make that an issue.
Of course full score and the honour to offer the next challenge is yours!



The scoreboard after challenge #094 - Némethy Flugrad, 1901 - is:

16.60 Rbailey
12.20 Varese2002
9.20 Aquilius
7.70 aerohydro
6.70 richard B
6.30 matte_kudasai
6.00 Cruze
6.00 YavorD
5.50 Airarticles ===> have to wait 12 hours

4.00 Flamingo ==> may start immediately
3.30 Rod_Filan
2.00 berman
2.00 joegertler
2.00 Lodzermensch
1.10 Froggy
1.00 Doc
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 sobrien
0.40 Wind In The Wires


Cheers

Aquilius