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Old 5 July 2009, 10:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Breguet's pre-1914 ID Challenge #095



Chosen because it's a rather nice photograph, but mainly because there are not nearly enough ornithopters being included in these Challenges!

The scoreboard is:

16.60 Rbailey
12.20 Varese2002
9.20 Aquilius
7.70 aerohydro
6.70 richard B
6.30 matte_kudasai
6.00 Cruze
6.00 YavorD
5.50 Airarticles ===> have to wait 12 hours

4.00 Flamingo ==> may start immediately
3.30 Rod_Filan
2.00 berman
2.00 joegertler
2.00 Lodzermensch
1.10 Froggy
1.00 Doc
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 sobrien
0.40 Wind In The Wires
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The rules of engagement:

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.
Earlier Challenges are to be found here: Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge
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Old 6 July 2009, 09:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I believe this is the 1907 Gammeter Orthopter. I recognized it by the floats. Yet another one powered by Curtiss!

Aerofiles says-

"Orthopter 1907 = 1p ornithopter; 7hp @ 1200rpm Curtiss; span: 30'0" length: 12'0". Gross wt: 440#. Those are the total specs found for this creation with bamboo-and-silk flapping wings, double-hinged to the fuselage and flapping 75 strokes per minute. It reportedly "took-off in unmanned tethered flight" (no date) after developing a thrust of 24#, but was not developed further. "Originally, a horizontal flywheel turning at 1500rpm was used for stabilization but was later removed." Listed as an entrant in Flying Machine events at 1907 Intl Aeronautic Tournament in St Louis MO, 21-24 Oct 1907—flying or a static display? Gammeter was member of Aero Club of America and president of Aero Club of Cleveland about that time"
Another view can be found here.
http://aerofiles.com/gammeter.jpg

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Old 6 July 2009, 10:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Exactly correct, Sean!!

This is the 1907 Gammeter Orthopter: quite obscure today, though it had good press coverage in its day. It was even on the cover of the "Scientific American"!

The inventor, Harry Gammeter, also took out a patent for it.

The scoreboard is:
16.60 Rbailey
12.20 Varese2002
9.20 Aquilius
7.70 aerohydro
6.70 richard B
6.30 matte_kudasai
6.00 Cruze
6.00 YavorD
5.50 Airarticles ===> have to wait 12 hours

4.00 Flamingo ==> may start immediately
3.30 Rod_Filan
2.00 sobrien
2.00 berman
2.00 joegertler
2.00 Lodzermensch
1.10 Froggy
1.00 Doc
1.00 paolomiana
0.40 Wind In The Wires
The next ID challenge - hopefully of an ornithopter - belongs to Sean!

Cheers,
Paul
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