Breguet's pre-1914 ID Challenge #111

[Aquilius]

Okay, here is another one from the famous monoplane-era.
Not too often published but also not too obscure, I think.

Please give a little bit of it's story, if you have.
(who built it, where and when it was acting...)




The scoreboard is :

18.70 Rbailey
14.20 Varese2002
12.60 aerohydro
10.20 Aquilius
7.30 matte_kudasai
6.70 richard B
6.00 Cruze
6.00 YavorD
5.70 Rod_Filan
5.50 Airarticles
5.00 Flamingo
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(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
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3.00 Lodzermensch
3.00 joegertler
2.00 berman
2.00 sobrien
2.00 Doc
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
0.40 Wind In The Wires

Previous Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge aircraft

The rules of engagement:

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Good luck!

Aquilius

[aerohydro]

Is it one of the Plage-Court "Torpedo" monoplanes?

[Aquilius]

Unfortunately not, Paul.
No Plage, Court or Kühlstein here!

It seems to be a little more obscure than thought.

But this elegant monoplane was entered to a few flying competitions in it's time.
First at some local, later at major events. And it did not left without prices.


Have a good hunt!

Aquilius

[Rbailey]

How about the Kuhlstein eindecker? Similar tubular fuselage and cockpit arrangement.

[Aquilius]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

How about the Kuhlstein eindecker?

Have a look at the post above!




Aquilius

[Aquilius]

What you have detected till now is the most important feat of this bird - it's body.
It had a wooden frame covered with glue-laminated linen for what even a patent was garanted.

You don't need to search in exotic countries, but it is probably not to find in the big european aviation centres. At least it does not originate from there.


Good luck

Aquilius

[Aquilius]

You do need some more help?

Here is a second pic showing the sturdy structure of it's hull:



This aircraft was built and flown by one of the youngest designers among the european aviators league this time. He has been a mechanic by a better known aircraft company before. And it was not the only machine built by him. Before the war he had constructed a second monoplane looking not much different.


Good luck!

Aquilius

[Aquilius]

Still no idea yet? My note in the initial post wasn't meant ironically.

We are in Germany and this machine appeared in spring 1912.


Good luck!

Aquilius

[berman]

Using your description clue of the fuselage construction, I am guessing that this ia a Roland taube. However, I have been unable to find a photo to confirm my hunch.

[berman]

Found a photo of the Roland taube. I was wrong. This is no Roland.