Breguet's pre-1914 ID Challenge #114

[Aquilius]

Welcome to Breguet’s pre-1914 ID Challenge #114!

In the time of pioneer aircraft there were also biplanes. We haven’t had one for some time and therefore I do offer one now:

You know the questions. Who built it? Where and when?
And if you have, other facts are always welcomed.


The scoreboard after challenge #113 - Baku Technical College monoplane - is:

19.70 Rbailey
14.20 Varese2002
12.60 aerohydro
11.20 Aquilius
7.30 matte_kudasai
6.70 richard B
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 YavorD
5.70 Rod_Filan
5.50 Airarticles
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
3.00 Lodzermensch
3.00 joegertler
2.00 berman
2.00 sobrien
2.00 Doc
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
0.40 Wind In The Wires

Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge

The rules of engagement:

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Goos luck!

Aquilius


PS: Thanks for this re-sizing tool!

[Rbailey]

It bears some resemblance to the Bland Mayfly of 1910, in similarity of the skids, rudder shape and general layout. This went through several modifications as a glider, so I will make that proposal.

[Aquilius]

Ron, your recognition is good!

This is the first Mayfly of Lilian Bland tested as a glider in the area of Belfast, Northern Ireland probably in February 1910!
It was built after the Blackpool 1909 meeting and was a mixture of the Farman/Wright types seen there.
The only specification I have for this one is: span 8,40 m and built in less than 3 Month.

Lilian Bland, one of the very few Ladies among the early aviators, followed the way of many pioneers this time. Watching birds, building models, then gliders and finally fitting them with an engine.
But she couldn't sell her constantly modified "Mayfly" and gave it to the Aero Club of Dublin before she married and left to Canada.

Score and next challenge to Rbailey!

20.70 Rbailey
14.20 Varese2002
12.60 aerohydro
11.20 Aquilius
7.30 matte_kudasai
6.70 richard B
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 YavorD
5.70 Rod_Filan
5.50 Airarticles
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
3.00 Lodzermensch
3.00 joegertler
2.00 berman
2.00 sobrien
2.00 Doc
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
0.40 Wind In The Wires


Cheers

Aquilius

[Rbailey]

Lilian Bland was quite a gal for her time. Before taking up aviation she was a successful photographer, and must be the first woman to build as well as fly her own aeroplane. She developed it empirically, testing and modifying it as a kite and glider before putting a 20 hp engine in it. There are several references to her in the Flight archives of 1910, including her own article describing the machine, and a later article about her in the 1964 volume at bland | 1964 | 0207 | Flight Archive.

She gave up aviation partly from lack of funds and partly through bribery from her father, who did not think it was an appropriate activity and bought her a motor car instead - at least, that is the story.

I will post another biplane tonight, this one with an engine.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

..... and a later article about her in the 1964 volume at bland | 1964 | 0207 | Flight Archive.
.....

Thanks for the reference to the Flight article of no less an expert than Peter Lewis. I laughed loudly at his dry writing style, especially at this example

The loan by Lord O'Neill of his park at Randalstown provided 800 acres but included the hazard of a loose bull—sufficient encouragement, Miss Bland thought, to make her fly at all cost.

Miss Bland surely was a courageous lady

Cheers

Kees

[Rod_Filan]

Originally Posted by Kees

Miss Bland surely was a courageous lady

Bland was anything but.
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Cheers

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Rod_Filan

Bland was anything but.
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Cheers

Rod, sure she was courageous? Looking at the online dictionary Merriam-Webster here I found out that 'lady' has a lot of etymology.

Perhaps I should have used another word ?

Cheers

Kees

[SCMc]

HI Kees,

I don't think Rod's comment was directed at you. Rather it was a play on the name: "[Miss ]Bland was anything but[ bland]." I have inserted the words in brackets into Rod's statement.

Steve

[Rod_Filan]

heh. Your word was fine Kees. Mine... contradictory implied name pun lost in translation. Common mistake

Another example: Mr. Green isn't very.

Among other variations of this double meaning name-play could be using paired homophones as in: "I'm not Rocherfeller, I'm the other feller." or "Watt invented the steam engine'-'You mean who'-'No, Watt!"
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Cheers
Rod

[Varese2002]

Hi Rod, I see what you mean, but for me it remains difficult to get the sense of these 'wordplays'. I am already delighted when I can phrase a reasonable sort of straight English

Cheers

Kees