Breguet's Pre-1914 Challenge #121

[Varese2002]

Breguet's Pre-1914 Challenge #121

Although not a machine from Patagonia, it will sure be difficult to identify this machine. The point goes to the one who 'best identifies' this creature and give a mention of a historical first

Have a good time with this one.

Kees



The scoreboard at the start Challenge #121 is:

20.90 Rbailey
17.20 Varese2002
12.80 aerohydro
12.20 Aquilius
7.30 matte_kudasai
6.70 richard B
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 YavorD
5.90 Rod_Filan
5.50 Airarticles
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
3.30 berman
3.00 Lodzermensch
3.00 joegertler
2.00 sobrien
2.00 Doc
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
0.40 Wind In The Wires

Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge[/QUOTE]

The rules of engagement:

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Rbailey]

Kees, you are outdoing yourself these days. What is frustrating is that I think I have seen that picture somewhere,but can't place it. Looks American.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by Rbailey

Kees, you are outdoing yourself these days. What is frustrating is that I think I have seen that picture somewhere,but can't place it. Looks American.

Machine is not from the US, I thought it high time again to shift again to Europe - mainland. That's something for a hint ?

Cheers

Kees

[richard B]

Looks like Holland's landscape ,don't it ?

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by richard B

Looks like Holland's landscape ,don't it ?

Exactly

Now it will be a piece of cake to identify this machine .........

Cheers

Kees

[Willi Von Klugerman]

Is it the Canard,the first seaplane?

[Rbailey]

The Monnier Harper "Lygia" of 1912 - undercarriage and wing shape makes it easy once Willi set it up.

[Varese2002]

The Dutch newspaper 'Het Centrum' of November 27, 1912 had a small notice in 'Army and Navy'



In short it gives to the world that the Ministry of War had permitted Mr. Adriaan Mulder and Mr. Monnier Harper to give flight training on a terrain near Schevingen. The flightschool of those two had already acquired 'five' training aeroplanes including a 'hydro-aeroplane'.

A Monnier Harper was connected to the English firm Weston Hurlin Co (WHC) in an advertisement seeing the early 'art' of advertising "WHC" The Genuine Aeronautical Firm.

Looking at the facts there was some gap between the words in the paper and the advertisement and the reality. The challenge picture shows the machine - identified as the Monnier Harper 'Lygia' in april 1912 in a probably artificial seaplane basin at Warmond (quite a bit away from Scheveningen, look into Google maps). Soon after this picture was taken the machine got into flames at the first flight. That was the end of the 'Lygia' hydro-aeroplane.

The pontoons of this hydro-aeroplane does not look if it will ever go up, no steps are visble. The name 'Lygia' can be read on the rudder (on the original picture at least).

The machine earned its (little known) place as being the first hydro-aeroplane in Holland, although it did not fly.

Richard B deserves a part of the point for identifying the van Gogh like dark Dutch landscape = 0.3 point

Rbailey got away with the correct identification of the machine => 0.5 point

Willi helped Rbailey us - according to Rb - he did a brilliant setup => 0.2 point

Correct identification
The Monnier Harper Lygia hydro-aeroplane seen in April 1912 in a basin at the Dutch place Warmond.

The scoreboard at the end of Challenge #121 is:

21.40 Rbailey
17.20 Varese2002
12.80 aerohydro
12.20 Aquilius
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.00 richard B
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 YavorD
5.90 Rod_Filan
5.50 Airarticles
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
3.30 berman
3.00 Lodzermensch
3.00 joegertler
2.00 sobrien
2.00 Doc
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
0.40 Wind In The Wires
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann

Challenge #122

Rbailey

Cheers

Kees