Breguet's Pre-1914 Challenge #124

[aerohydro]

The scoreboard at the start of Challenge #124 is:

21.40 Rbailey
17.20 Varese2002
13.80 aerohydro
12.20 Aquilius
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.00 richard B
6.90 Rod_Filan
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 YavorD
5.50 Airarticles
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(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
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3.30 berman
3.00 Lodzermensch
3.00 joegertler
2.00 sobrien
2.00 Doc
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
0.40 Wind In The Wires
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann

Previous Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft are at: Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge

The rules of engagement:

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge.
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by aerohydro

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I would be surprised when this machine had flown. Looking at the wing it seems that the airfoil is very curious, seems to be upcurved . Also I doubt if an engine is inside, maybe this is a continuation of human powered machines

Cheers

Kees

[aerohydro]

Well, the people responsible for the machine said that it did fly. It's first flight covered 70 meters at a height of 1.00 to 1.50 meters. Who are we to deny such a claim?

One may very well think that it's an aviette. All I can say is that it did have a 'two-stroke' engine.

Paul

[aerohydro]

A healthy number of clues:

• It was a human-powered aircraft
• The first flight was made in the Autumn of 1912
• Built by three brothers, in their father's carpentry workshop
• News about this aircraft, and its flight, did not become known til quite some years later.

Cheers,
Paul

[aerohydro]

Another dose of clues:

• The aircraft was flown at Landstuhl, Pfalz, Germany.
• Further work with the aircraft stopped due to WWI
• The pilot of that first, human-powered, flight became a soldier and died in France on 28 June 1916

Paul

[Rod_Filan]

I might not be able to find this one, but I'm sure learning a lot trying.
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Cheers

[aerohydro]

Glad to be of help, Rod. Now let me help you some more. Here is a third dose of clues:

• The particular image used in this Challenge comes from the publication Flug Durch Muskelkraft by Hans-Georg Schulze and Willi Stiasny.
• Aviators' surname was something beginning with ... S

Paul

[Varese2002]

Schulze, Hans Georg, and Willi Stiasny. 1936. Flug durch Muskelkraft; vom Flugmenschen in den Mythen und Sagen der alten Völker bis zum Muskelkraftflug als Sport der kommenden Generation. Frankfurt a.M.: F. Knapp. 223 p. illus. (incl. facsim.) XLVIII pl. 19 cm.
"Die technischen Zeichnungen des Buches wurden von Otto Blum ausgeführt.

This was written by two gentlemen named Schulze and Stiasny. It has a 163-item bibliography and numerous illustrations of cycle-cum-glider-cum-ornithopter contraptions ranging from Melchior Bauer's Modell der Muskelkraftflugzeug to fliegendes Motorrad von Cerny, Wien, 1928 (a cheat since he had a Villiers motor) and the Schwingenscaler von Johann Kaltenecker, 1936. [quote from The Aeroplane 1956].

Willy Stiasny was archivar in the Reichsluftfahrtministerium, who came after the war in the eastern part of Germany. His collection is now part of the Deutsches Technik Museum, Berlin.
Hans Georg Schulze was referent at the Pressestelle of the Reichsluftfahrtministerium.

Looking at all your hints the Challenge machine must be the Muskelkraftflugzeug designed and built by the Schulze brothers in 1912.

Cheers

Kees

[aerohydro]

Originally Posted by Varese2002

Looking at all your hints the Challenge machine must be the Muskelkraftflugzeug designed and built by the Schulze brothers in 1912.

NO!

Look, you people are going to answer this Challenge, if it's the last thing I get you to do! Here are some more clues:

• Pilot of that first human-powered flight had the first name of Eugen
• His surname contains 8 letters, starting with S, ending with R

If this was a game of Scrabble, his name would be presented as:

Eugen S _ _ _ _ _ _ r

with the missing 6 letters being as follows: ä c d e h l

Grumble, grumble, grumble,
Paul

[richard B]

BONJOUR à TOUS
It's the well known SCHÄDLER human powered monoplane ,built and flown by the 3 brothers Schädler in 1912 at Landshut ,Pfalz ,Germany.

My clue is the large rectangular wing and litle prop

To be serious ,I never heard or read anything about those brothers:thank you for showing us this rarity (even Varese "s'y est cassé les dents" !)