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12 October 2009, 11:44 PM
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Hello
I *could* tell you a lot about the machine, but why not just read the text at the top of the postcard!:
I know nothing of the M Misson, who seems to be Bracke's partner for this machine. The image is sourced from an online peddler of postcards and period emphemera, hence the large, and obvious, watermark in the middle of the image.
As well as being a man of action, Albert Bracke was a man of letters. Here is the Smithsonian Institute's record of his output:
Title: Les Hélicoptères Paul Cornu
Author: Bracke, A (Albert)
Subject: Cornu, Paul 1881-1914
Date: 1908
Title: Construction et manœuvres de l'aéroplane Wright
Author: Bracke, A (Albert)
Subject: Wright, Wilbur 1867-1912. Wright, Orville 1871-1948
Date: 1909
Title: Annuaire des sciences aéronautiques
Author: Bracke, A (Albert)
Date: 1910
Title: Almanach de La Conquête de l'air, 1908
Author: La Conquête de l'air , Bracke, A (Albert)
Date: 1908
Title: La traversée aérienne de L'Atlantique
Author: LaHault, Adhémar de 1854-1930, Bracke, Albert joint author
Date: 1914
Note that it does not include the L'année aéronautique belge mentioned by Kees. Perhaps there are even more uncatalogued titles out there? Here's the link to the Smithsonian Institute's full record of his output: Collections Search Center
Cheers,
Paul
Last edited by aerohydro; 13 October 2009 at 12:03 AM.
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13 October 2009, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rod_Filan
D'oh !
Foiled again!
I even had to translate Dutch(!) to figure all that out!

Cheers
Okay... maybe they were wheels off a small bicycle... but you can see where that cycling hint really screwed me up. 
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Rod, I admire your courage to translate Dutch or the even more difficult Flemish  Sure this valiant effort must be awarded in points !
Cheers
Kees
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13 October 2009, 01:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aerohydro
Hello
I *could* tell you a lot about the machine, but why not just read the text at the top of the postcard!:
I know nothing of the M Misson, who seems to be Bracke's partner for this machine. The image is sourced from an online peddler of postcards and period emphemera, hence the large, and obvious, watermark in the middle of the image.
As well as being a man of action, Albert Bracke was a man of letters. Here is the Smithsonian Institute's record of his output:
Title: Les Hélicoptères Paul Cornu
Author: Bracke, A (Albert)
Subject: Cornu, Paul 1881-1914
Date: 1908
Title: Construction et manœuvres de l'aéroplane Wright
Author: Bracke, A (Albert)
Subject: Wright, Wilbur 1867-1912. Wright, Orville 1871-1948
Date: 1909
Title: Annuaire des sciences aéronautiques
Author: Bracke, A (Albert)
Date: 1910
Title: Almanach de La Conquête de l'air, 1908
Author: La Conquête de l'air , Bracke, A (Albert)
Date: 1908
Title: La traversée aérienne de L'Atlantique
Author: LaHault, Adhémar de 1854-1930, Bracke, Albert joint author
Date: 1914
Note that it does not include the L'année aéronautique belge mentioned by Kees. Perhaps there are even more uncatalogued titles out there? Here's the link to the Smithsonian Institute's full record of his output: Collections Search Center
Cheers,
Paul
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Excellent searching Paul  There is no information about the companion of Albert Bracke, Monsieur Misson. This postcard is the only picture of the Bracke monoplan I have seen till now.
As you said Albert Bracke was a great writer. He wrote even more then can be found in the Library of Congress. More or possibly all writings of Bracke can be found in the Koninklijke Bibliotheek België / Bibliothèque royale de Belgique / Royal Library of Belgium (3 languages !) here
The Bracke works can be found starting here
The English tranlation of the article of Bracke on the Cornu Helicopter can be found here.
I will allott the points seperately.
By the way, this unique postcard sold at a quite hefty prize.
Cheers
Kees
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13 October 2009, 01:53 PM
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Correct identification
The monoplane designed by engineer Albert Bracke assisted by Monsieur Misson. Date not given, but estimated as 1912-1913.
The points:
1 point for Paul who identified Albert Bracke via the hint after that he searched up about all there is available on Albert Bracke.
0.3 points to Rod for his valiant effort to find the true originator of this monoplane within the whole list of Belgian aviation pioneers. Also for his effort to master the Dutch / Flemish language (probably with the help of Mr. Google).
0.2 points to RBailey for his continuous attack at finding this almost unknown machine.
The scoreboard at the end of Challenge #127:
22.60 Rbailey
18.20 Varese2002
14.80 aerohydro
12.20 Aquilius
8.00 richard B
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.20 Rod_Filan
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 YavorD
5.50 Airarticles
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(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
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3.30 berman
3.00 Lodzermensch
3.00 joegertler
2.00 sobrien
2.00 Doc
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
0.40 Wind In The Wires
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann
Next Breguet Pre-1914
Aerohydro
As Belgian pre-1914 aviation is so unknown, there are many opportunities to present machines in this challenge
Cheers
Kees
Last edited by Varese2002; 13 October 2009 at 10:49 PM.
Reason: Correction Dave => Paul
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13 October 2009, 02:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rod_Filan
Few people are aware that the inventor of the joystick, Joseph Chantraine, lived and worked in Kortenberg in the Belgian province of Flemish Brabant.
And now you do too.
Chantraine patented several inventions and in 1906 patented a ballpoint pen (maybe the ballpoint pen?), and the same year patented a classifier system (whatever that is?)
In early 1907 Joseph Chantraine was awarded patent No. 198,483 for his “Aéromobile”. This aircraft was a monoplane controlled by means of a joystick and driven by three strong bicycle wheels driven by chains. The wings were made of bamboo covered with light tarpaulin.
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Joseph Chantraine was an engineer and a university professor. His machine was constructed in 1907 in Kortenberg. The available picture of the machine shows a little monoplane with two tractor propellers driven by a single engine via rods (I think). The joystick / steering rod can be clearly seen in this picture. The machine flew twice, but on its second flight it fell down in a tree.
Joseph Chantraine died on June 8, 1910. He was probably very engaged in aviation as his villa in Kortenberg was named ‘ L’Aérocottage’.
Cheers
Kees
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13 October 2009, 04:17 PM
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I see, I should have joined the "Battleship game" once the names were given.
But my research reached the point were also Rod ended - I excluded a couple of names and didn't know then whom to choose...
Aquilius
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13 October 2009, 04:34 PM
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I was doing the same thing and eliminated some of the names, but I didn't find anything at all on M. Bracke on a basic search.
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13 October 2009, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Varese2002
0.3 points to Rod ...
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Gee Thanks Kees!
I'll try to look upon it not as a reward for failure, but rather fair wages for an honest day's work.
I went back to the original text and I see now that I missed the part about twee schroeven. Mr. Google didn't do a very good job and I misinterpreted it as the propeller driving two of the three wheels (presumably the front wheels) with chains. Maybe its a good thing I missed that, otherwise I would have never gotten consolation points!
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Cheers
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13 October 2009, 05:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Varese2002
1 point for Dave
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Who is this Dave person?
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13 October 2009, 10:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aerohydro
Who is this Dave person?
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Apologies for mixing the names, I must not do simultanuous things  Is corrected now.
Cheers
Kees
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