Breguet's Pre-1914 Chalenge #127

Aquilius · 17 October 2009, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Varese2002

Joseph Chantraine died on June 8, 1910. He was probably very engaged in aviation as his villa in Kortenberg was named ‘L’Aérocottage’.

Kees

Don't ask me how I got there. But in this short notes about Chantraine it is stated he died August 2 1936.

In 1910 he should have received the first french pilot brevet that was issued this year.

Utilisateur:Crickxson - Wikipédia

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Aquilius

Rod_Filan · 17 October 2009, 11:35 AM

Geez Kees, you're slipping.

That's two mistakes in one Challenge.

You better take some time off to rest up. Starting Monday

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Varese2002 · 17 October 2009, 01:34 PM

Hmm.... I checked my reference and it gives

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Chantraine décèdera à Kortenberg le 8 juin 1910.

Source: Brackx, Daniel. 2002. 100 ans d'aviation en Belgique: l'album de la Belgian Aviation History Association. Bruxelles: Editions Racine. ISBN 2873862939.

Personally I am under the impression that the data in this book is (far) more precise than an anonymous Wikepedia article, without any references to sources.

By the way Daniel Brackx is a member of the Forum Aerodrome under a pseudo, perhaps he can give more information.

Have a good day

Kees

Rod_Filan · 17 October 2009, 03:52 PM

Hmm.... Looks like Kees is right after all.

From the article where I originally found the Chantraine Aéromobile:

Joseph Chantraine was born in Namur in 1870, and he died in 1910, barely 40 years old.

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Hij werd geboren te Namen in 1870.

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In 1910 stierf Joseph Chantraine, amper 40 jaar oud.

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Dit artikel komt uit een heemkundig Kortenbergs tijdschrift.

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Aquilius · 17 October 2009, 05:42 PM

I wasn't arguing. Just wondered about the dates given.

After all I too believe 1910 is correct. This year appears on the most websites and then mainly of belgian origin.

But again I found another year when Joseph Chantraine died.

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Un troisième projet d’aéroplane est celui de Joseph Chantraine. Passionné par l’aviation naissante, Chantraine est au courant
des travaux de Lilienthal. Il y consacre tous ses loisirs et une grande partie de sa fortune. Dans l’ancienne abbaye de Kortenberg, Chantraine a monté un atelier fort complet lui permettant, en 1906, de construire toutes les pièces du monoplan qui portera son nom.

Le monoplan Chantraine est monté sur trois fortes roues de bicyclette. Deux hélices sont mues par un moteur de 20 CV de son invention et, particularité remarquable, le levier des commandes a toutes les caractéristiques de ce que l’on appellera ultérieurement le manche à balai.

En 1906, s’estimant incapable de faire voler lui-même son aéronef, il fait appel à un jeune élève de l’École de Mécanique de Bruxelles : Édouard Tollet, alors âgé de 18 ans. Plusieurs essais sont effectués dans une prairie proche de l’Abbaye. Début 1908, Chantraine estime que l’avion est fin prêt et Tollet s’élance. Malheureusement, l’engin manque de puissance et va s’écraser dans un bouquet d’arbustes en fin de prairie. Édouard Tollet s’en tire heureusement avec quelques égratignures.

Pour Chantraine, dont la santé est déjà fort chancelante, ce sera le chant du cygne. Il s’éteint quelques mois plus tard, le 8 juin 1908.

from Belgium: http://www.vieillestiges.be/objects/HistTechAe_fr.pdf

If I get it right, Chantraine not in best health condition ceased to hear the swans sing on 8 June 1908.

June 8th is stated before and 1908 might be a typo.

I have checked the saying "to hear a swan sing" means to suffer from something.
It should go back to a legend about Martin Luther and Johannes Hus, a czech reformer who was condemned to death in 1415. He told "Today you are frying a goose but in 100 years there will be a swan that you won't fry."
(Hus in chzech means goose)
Martin Luther who was active 100 years later is alleged to have said: "If Johannes Hus promised my arrival then, as God will, you have to endure myself."

Maybe you did know. I did not until now.

Cheers

Aquilius

Rod_Filan · 17 October 2009, 06:24 PM

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Maybe you did know. I did not until now.

That's what I like so much about the Challenges, especially Pre-1914. I'm always learning something new.

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Learn something new every day, and you'll stay young forever.

I don't know if that's a famous quote but I'm sure somebody said it before me.

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aerohydro · 17 October 2009, 08:03 PM

Posted to this thread by mistake. Check here for the new ID Challenge!

Varese2002 · 18 October 2009, 10:33 AM

A two-page biography on Tollet and Chantraine (in that order) was published in the Brussels Air Museum Magazine No. 11-12. The index can be seen here.

Édouard Tollet was 18 years old when he flew the machine designed by Joseph Chantraine in 1908. Tollet (luckily) lived on and fought in WW1 as a pilot. He became a big name in Belgian military aviation during the interbellum and he left the military air service in 1946.

Special in the BAMM magazine is that you can start at one side of the magazine in Dutch (Flemish) and at the other side in French. Texts of the articles are the same, but illustrations are sometimes different.

Have a good week

Kees