Breguet's Pre-1914 Challenge #129

[Rbailey]

Some rare types are picked off quickly. I will be surprised if that is the case here, but we shall see.

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #128, the 1909 Anthony Wireless Airship
23.60 Rbailey
18.20 Varese2002
14.80 aerohydro
12.20 Aquilius
8.00 richard B
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.20 Rod_Filan
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 YavorD
5.50 Airarticles
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those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
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3.30 berman
3.00 Lodzermensch
3.00 joegertler
2.00 sobrien
2.00 Doc
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
0.40 Wind In The Wires
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann

Subjects of previous Challenges can be found at: Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge



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[EricGoedkoop]

Is it not a Deperdussin Type A?

Dep-style control wheel, twin kingposts, belly under the fuse, triangular fin, etc. There's no fuel tank and the fuselage is uncovered - maybe it's still under construction?

[Rbailey]

Not a Deperdussin. Actually, you can rule out the major designers.

[aerohydro]

Well, if it's not the Deperdussin, then it's a damn fine copy.

I'd like to posit that it's the 1912 monoplane made by Juan Guillermo Villasana of Mexico. Here's a photo:



It comes from this Spanish-language website: Mexican Aviation History, which briefly details Villasana and his machine. Below is a muddled English translation, courtesy of Google:

In this environment, it is essential to stress the effort of the young Juan Guillermo Villasana, who for several years had started on his aerial adventures and who built among other models that were successful on a two-seater plane Deperdussin type, which he stocked with an Anzani 80hp engine. It flew successfully several times during May 1912 on a landing until he left the field, destroyed by falling into a ditch. It was the first operational aircraft built in a Latin American country.

The aircraft type is a Deperdussin, two seats, completely manufactured by Juan Guillermo Villasana, equipped with Italian Anzani engine, first flew on May 28, 1912. Then he made another flight before an accident. It was the first functional airplane built in a Latin American country.

And here is a Wikipedia entry for Juan Guillermo Villasana

Cheers,
Paul

[aerohydro]

In the late 1920s, Juan Guillermo Villasana went on to build a helicopter:





There's a spanish-language website about the Los Villasana No.1. (English translation here.)

Here's a scratch-built plastic model, it's one of several images that can be found here.



Cheers,
Paul

[Varese2002]

Amazing machines, Paul, thanks for the information about your finds. The helicopter is special.

Cheers

Kees

[Rbailey]

It is the Monoplano Latino America, claimed to be the first powered aeroplane built in Mexico (and sometimes claimed in Latin America), built in 1912 by Juan Guillermo Villasana, Santiago Poveregsky and Carlos Leon. My source suggested that it was not a direct copy of a Deperdussin, but except for the uncovered fuselage shown here, they may not be distinguishable.

I will give Eric 0.2 points for the Deperdussin lookalike, and the next challenge to Aerohydro.

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #129, the 1912 Mexican Latino America of Villasana, Poveregsky and Leon.

23.60 Rbailey
18.20 Varese2002
15.60 aerohydro
12.20 Aquilius
8.00 richard B
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.20 Rod_Filan
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 YavorD
5.50 Airarticles
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
3.30 berman
3.00 Lodzermensch
3.00 joegertler
2.00 sobrien
2.00 Doc
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
0.40 Wind In The Wires
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann
0.20 EricGoedkoop