Breguet's Pre-1914 Challenge #132

[sodium]

Ok... it's my first challenge
I hope it will interest you



Good Luck

Scoreboard at the start of Challenge #132:

23.60 Rbailey
18.20 Varese2002
15.80 aerohydro
12.20 Aquilius
8.20 Rod_Filan
8.00 richard B
7.30 matte_kudasai
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 YavorD
5.50 Airarticles
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(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
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3.30 berman
3.00 Lodzermensch
3.00 joegertler
2.00 sobrien
2.00 Doc
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 sodium
0.40 Wind In The Wires
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann
0.20 EricGoedkoop

Subjects of previous Challenges can be found at:
Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge


Quote:
The rules of engagement:

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge.
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.



amitiés
philippe

[Varese2002]

Interesting machine. Looking at it I would define it as an Orthoptère, probably with flapping wings. But the machine is in construction and not finished. Looking at the hall this could be the work place of the Voisin brothers who built an Ornithoptère for monsieur Florencie, their first paying customer. The machine was not succesfull and ended its days 'suspendit à une roulette voyageant sur un cable et c'est à Palaiseau que la machine termina sa carrière'.

Cheers

Kees

[richard B]

The (bad) picture of the Florencie I have shows an ornithopter too ,but not the same as the challenge one

[Varese2002]

A good view of the Voisin built Florencie Ornithoptère. A real beauty, but it did not fly at all



Cheers

Kees

[sodium]

Bonjour
It’s not an ornithoptère
You are right, the machine is in construction. There is a picture of the machine with the 2 tractors propellers. No Voisin but yes, french machine.
It was 1907, near Marseille, and they were 2 manufacturers.

amitiés
philippe

[sodium]

the machine with propellers



amitiés
philippe

[aerohydro]

Ahem, this is the 1907 Aeroplane of Emile Barlatier and Henri Blanc.

The Precurseurs Aviation website gives a little bit of background to the work of these two men. Of the flying machine in question, the relevant text can be roughly translated as:

In 1906, Blanc and Barlatier conceive without success, the first single-seater monoplane with wings inspired by the bat. The kite is pulled by two propellers driven by a central engine of 14 hp Buchet.

The machine can also be seen on page 10 of this well-researched paper, 1907, l'annee de l'aerostation.pdf, and which dates the aircraft to May 1907.

There is this offering from the internet:



This newspaper dates from 11 March, 1906 and shows an earlier version of the Aeroplane.

In 1908, they built another flying machine.

Cheers,
Paul

[sodium]

Hello
Congratulation Paul

In 1906, Henri Blanc and Emile Barlatier built a scale model with a little motor Herdtlé-Bruneau 1 ch ¼.
Their results seems them interesting.
In 1907, they built a new model 2 times larger with 12-14 cv motor.
“l’aérophile Mai 1907”

Early models were considered as study models.
In 1908, Henri Blanc built new model with his brother, motor REP 7 cyl. 35 cv. Its construction was sponsored by M Morpurgo Livali, marseillais sportman.
“l’aérophile Mai 1908”

his brother’s name was M., maybee Maurice ....



Another model from Blanc at Miramas near Marseille.
It’s probably another photo of the model described in the Opdycke with Anzani motor. Year ?




Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #132 – Blanc and Barlatier 1907 - is:

23.60 Rbailey
18.20 Varese2002
16.80 aerohydro
12.20 Aquilius
8.20 Rod_Filan
8.00 richard B
7.30 matte_kudasai
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 YavorD
5.50 Airarticles
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
3.30 berman
3.00 Lodzermensch
3.00 joegertler
2.00 sobrien
2.00 Doc
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 sodium
0.40 Wind In The Wires
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann
0.20 EricGoedkoop


amitiés
philippe

[Varese2002]

Originally Posted by sodium

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his brother’s name was M., maybee Maurice ....

There is some uncertainty about Maurice Blanc and his family relation to Henri Blanc, as stated here.

Parmi la production Blanc figure en 1914 un monoplan Maurice Blanc sans précision sur une parenté avec Henri.

From the monoplane remains at least this postcard, stating clearly Maurice Blanc



A Suisse pilot also named Maurice Blanc crashed deadly on October 17, 1912 in Chalons (France) with an Antoinette monoplan.

Cheers

Kees