Breguet's pre-1914 challenge #189

[ermeio]

Here I am to open Breguet's pre-1914 challenge #189

Since there is no ban for the monoplanes in this challenge, here is the next one:

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best luck!
ermeio


The scoreboard at the start of challenge #188

33.60 Rbailey
28.90 Varese2002
27.30 aerohydro
17.70 Aquilius
10.50 richard B
9.20 Rod_Filan
7.30 matte_kudasai
6.50 Airarticles
6.30 YavorD
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
5.00 Lodzermensch
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
4.00 sobrien
3.30 berman
3.00 ermeio
3.00 joegertler
2.00 Doc
2.00 sodium
2.40 Wind In The Wires
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 ulpilot
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann
0.20 EricGoedkoop

Previous Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenges:
Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge

The rules of engagement:

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge.
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Lodzermensch]

Originally Posted by ermeio

Here I am to open Breguet's pre-1914 challenge #189

Since there is no ban for the monoplanes in this challenge, here is the next one:




The scoreboard at the start of challenge #188

33.60 Rbailey
28.90 Varese2002
27.30 aerohydro
17.70 Aquilius
10.50 richard B
9.20 Rod_Filan
7.30 matte_kudasai
6.50 Airarticles
6.30 YavorD
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
5.00 Lodzermensch
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
4.00 sobrien
3.30 berman
3.00 ermeio
3.00 joegertler
2.00 Doc
2.00 sodium
2.40 Wind In The Wires
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 ulpilot
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann
0.20 EricGoedkoop

Previous Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenges:
Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft ChallengeThe rules of engagement:

Hi,

An invisible one?

Cheers

Marek

[Aquilius]

This must be the invisible Fokker E.III!

Wasn't that a post-1914 plane?



Anyway, I see, my post is too early.
Haha, and Marek's one also!





Aquilius

[ermeio]

Invisible Fokker EIII?
someone did manage to have a better stealth technology, before 1914.
but this is another history...

rule 10 says you have to list some distinguishing feature, so this was going to be an hard one...
I have enclosed a photo of the materialized version of the stealth plane
have fun

[Rbailey]

Just for clarity, I assume the time starts from the time of the edit, 08:54 PM?

[ermeio]

Yes, I think so
It was my fault (the attachment manager failed to get the image).
Anyway I doubt you will get this one without a further help from me
ermeio

[Aquilius]

I think we are in Italy again.

And this is the monoplane built by the “Società di Aviazione Antoni” in 1913, I believe it is No.3. So Antoni Monoplano No.3? Or was there a special nickname to it?

For the ID features, there are the two horn-like tombstones, the spread tailplane with rudder saparating the elevators, the holes? in the wing (for donwward view?) and finally the trailing edge close to the fuselage.
At least this is to recognise here:

Cheers

Aquilius

[ermeio]

You're right, Aquilius
I must say that italian aircraft are known better than US ones...


The scoreboard at the end of challenge #189: Monoplano Antoni Biposto 1913

33.60 Rbailey
28.90 Varese2002
27.30 aerohydro
18.70 Aquilius
10.50 richard B
9.20 Rod_Filan
7.30 matte_kudasai
6.50 Airarticles
6.30 YavorD
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
5.00 Lodzermensch
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
4.00 sobrien
3.30 berman
3.00 ermeio
3.00 joegertler
2.00 Doc
2.00 sodium
2.40 Wind In The Wires
1.10 Froggy
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 ulpilot
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann
0.20 EricGoedkoop

The next challenge will be hosted by Aquilius

[Varese2002]

And this is the monoplane built by the “Società di Aviazione Antoni” in 1913, I believe it is No.3. So Antoni Monoplano No.3? Or was there a special nickname to it?

Just an 1/2 cent, the numbering of the Antoni monoplanes has taken place years after the event. The original caption of the Challenge picture gives it as

L'elegante monoplano Antoni, biposto "tipo 1913", ripreso sul campe di San Giusto.

Cheers

Kees

[Aquilius]

Originally Posted by ermeio

I must say that italian aircraft are known better than US ones...

I could not second this!

Of course there are lot of unknown designs, but having a hint to a designer, you can find a few websites and nowadays even the newspaper archives more and more were set up online - up to the 18th. century.


For Italy I stil don't know where to start searching. Is there any book of the people and their machines?

Here I luckily found a pic that resembled the challenge.
And I don't know anything but the probably designation.
Were there any special achievements? Competitions attended?
Now I have two pics.
But what was the engine?



Please bring in more of them!


Cheers

Aquilius