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Old 17 August 2010, 11:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Breguet's Pre-1914 Challenge # 252

Bonsoir à tous

here is a "new" one
I hope it was not already posted...

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #251: Reyburn Watres monoplane
44.90 aerohydro
40.90 Rbailey
31.10 Varese2002
23.60 Aquilius
17.40 Rod_Filan
13.20 richard B
7.70 ermeio
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.30 YavorD
6.50 Airarticles
6.50 Doc
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 Lodzermensch
5.00 sobrien
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
4.20 Wind In The Wires
4.30 AnYun
3.30 berman
3.00 joegertler
2.10 Froggy
2.00 sodium
1.00 Tripehound Flyboy
1.00 Catfish
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 ulpilot
0.20 EricGoedkoop
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann

Previous challenges are here: Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge
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The rules are :

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge.
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.




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Old 17 August 2010, 11:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The picture shows the first biplane built by Louis Paulhan in September / October 1910 [not February 1911 as given by Opdycke] in association with Henri Fabre. This explains the Fabre like wing construction to be seen on this 'machine á voler'.

Machine was a big pusher with elevator in front and huge skids, powered by a 50 hp Gnome rotary engine.

A full description of the machine can be seen in Flight here.

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The 1910 Paulhan Biplane, built by Louis Paulhan of France, making use of the Henri Fabre approach to constructing flying machines. Recognisable due to the latticework spars and the sail-and-batten style of wing ribs and wing covering.

A later version of the biplane, featuring 'conventional' wooden spars, was notable for it being able to be re-configured, so that it could be towed on a road behind a car, and also to be demountable so that all its parts could be fitted into packing crates.


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Hello,

This is the first version of Louis Paulhan’s biplane built in 1911. Fabre girders used as leading edges to which the wing coverings were laced and biplane layout with pusher type propeller are characteristic features of this machine à volere. Forward elevator and tail plane had similar structure. The aeroplane was powered by 50 hp Gnome engine.

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Old 18 August 2010, 01:11 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Bonjour à tous
Congratulations

3 correct answers in the same second! with advantage for Kees
I am afraid that the challenge was not difficult enough for aces like you..
Kees is right for the date-the photo was taken in November 1910 with Albert Caillé as pilot (licence No. 200),photo from Jacques Moulin collection

A version of the biplane (never built) had a closed cockpit which was a big innovation for this time !




Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #252: "Machine à voler" -Paulhan-1910

44.90 aerohydro
40.90 Rbailey

32.10 Varese2002

23.60 Aquilius
17.40 Rod_Filan
13.20 richard B
7.70 ermeio
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.30 YavorD
6.50 Airarticles
6.50 Doc
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
6.00 Lodzermensch
5.00 sobrien
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
4.20 Wind In The Wires
4.30 AnYun
3.30 berman
3.00 joegertler
2.10 Froggy
2.00 sodium
1.00 Tripehound Flyboy
1.00 Catfish
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 ulpilot
0.20 EricGoedkoop
0.20 Willi Von Klugermann

Next challenge for Kees

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One example of this Paulhan type 'machine à voler' was acquired by the British Army.

Flight for January 21, 1911 here reported that Captain Fulton, R.A. had taken delivery of the machine in France on behalf of the British Army. With picture showing the special wing construction of this Paulhan biplane.

It was reported in Flight February 25, 1911 that

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The Paulhan machine has arrived at the Balloon Factory......
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