Breguet’s pre-1914 Challenge No 422

[richard B]

Bonsoir .

Here the new one , more difficult as the previous one...

Good luck

Richard



Previous challenges : Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge



Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #421 :SANTOS DUMONT Hélicoptère No. XII ( No12) (1905/1906)

83.70 Rbailey
79.60 aerohydro
52.95 Varese2002
38.20 Aquilius
28.15 richard B
28.10 Rod_Filan

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20.70 Tork1945
9.00 Doc
8.50 Lodzermensch
8.00 Airarticles
7.70 ermeio
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.30 YavorD
6.30 AnYun
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
5.00 sobrien
5.35 Froggy
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4.20 Wind In The Wires
3.30 berman
3.00 joegertler
3.00 sodium
1.00 matthewk
1.00 Catfish
1.00 dhc2pilot
1.00 Mattyboy
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 Tripehound Flyboy
0.20 EricGoedkoop



The rules

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge.
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has received 5 (five) points, they belong to ROYALTY, and must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer. Once someone has achieved 25 (twentyfive) points, they must wait 24hrs after the original post before being able to post an answer.
10. In order to correctly identify the flying object, an answer must mention a characteristic of the design which has helped with its identification, or include a reference to a publication or website, which will confirm the attribution.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rule is BREGUET

[Airarticles]

Hello

It reminds me a Chauviere creation, characterized with two propellers driven by one engine.
Milan

[richard B]

Sorry ,it is NOT french ...

[Tork1945]

IMO the machine originates from Germany or Austro-hungary. It has a resemblence to the Tandem wing monoplane of 1910 / 1911 designed by Alfred Marceli Joachimczyk (of Polish birth), being also a twin propeller tandem wing construction with a centrally installed engine. But alas this one is different.

Tork1945

[richard B]

It's german ...

[Tork1945]

Originally Posted by richard B

It's german ...

Sure, I hope the machine is covered in the books.

Tork1945

[Rbailey]

The 1909 tandem eindecker of Kohler had two propellers and the motor between the wings. I can't find a picture, but the description in Lange is a reasonable match.

[richard B]

Originally Posted by Tork1945

Sure, I hope the machine is covered in the books.

Tork1945

It is shortly described (not illustrated) in two well known books dealing with german aircraft , but , sorry , it's not the Köhler machine .

[Tork1945]

A candidate could be the Tandem-Doppeldecker designed by Hauptmann Stapf from Meiningen (Thüringen) from 1910, which did tests to start but without result. [Source: Lange (1986) p.35].

Given the very short description of Lange recognition is more of a lottery.

Correction I overlooked the term Doppeldecker (Biplane) so this is almost surely a no-starter for this Challenge.

Tork1945

[Rbailey]

Well, going through the tandem eindeckers, the Fahlbusch machine of 1910 is a possibility. Chain driven propellers - if there were two.