Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #447

aerohydro · 16 July 2012, 09:26 PM

A slightly uncommon view of this flying machine. I've taken an existing photo and tweaked it somewhat so that the craft can be seen in a horizontal pose. That should give you an idea of what the craft would've looked like in the air, had it ever flown, of course ...

Like the last Challenge, this too has (arguably) French and Russian aspects to it.

Scoreboard at the start of Challenge #447:

87.50 Rbailey
85.00 aerohydro
52.95 Varese2002
41.20 Aquilius
31.80 Rod_Filan
29.45 richard B
25.30 Tork1945
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9.40 Airarticles
9.20 Doc
8.50 Lodzermensch
7.70 ermeio
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.30 YavorD
6.30 AnYun
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
5.00 sobrien
5.35 Froggy
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(those immediately above this section must wait 12 hours before answering.)
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4.20 Wind In The Wires
3.30 berman
3.00 joegertler
3.00 sodium
2.60 Mattyboy
1.00 matthewk
1.00 Catfish
1.00 dhc2pilot
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 Tripehound Flyboy
0.20 EricGoedkoop

Previous challenges are here: Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge.

Quote:

The rules are:

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge.
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has received 5 (five) points, they belong to ROYALTY, and must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer. Once someone has achieved 25 (twentyfive) points, they must wait 24hrs after the original post before being able to post an answer.
10. In order to correctly identify the flying object, an answer must mention a characteristic of the design which has helped with its identification, or include a reference to a publication or website, which will confirm the attribution.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Airarticles · 17 July 2012, 10:55 AM

Hello

Thi is the William Paul Butusov's Albatross Soaring-Machine at Dune Park, Indiana, On Launching Trestle in 1896. I recognized it by box-like construction of the frame for pilot, bat like design of the wings and by special ramp built for launching the glider.

here is a link
FLYING MACHINES - William Paul Butusov

and another link

William Paul Butusov's Albatros Glider

Milan

aerohydro · 17 July 2012, 09:25 PM

Hello Milan

Thanks for the post - perfectly correct!

The "Albatross" was devised and built by William Paul Butusov, a Russian sailor, who by the mid-1890s was living in the American mid-west. Its construction and testing was funded by Octave Chanute, the French-American civil engineer who did so much to advance aviation at the end of the 19th century.

It was one of a number of gliders that Chanute and others had tested, during the summer of 1896, on the banks of Lake Michigan. Of the flying machines there, the "Albatross" was undoubtedly the largest and most ambitious, but unfortunately it was also the least successful.

Cheers,
Paul

aerohydro · 17 July 2012, 09:33 PM

Answer to this Challenge: the 1896 Butusov "Albatross" Soaring Machine

Scoreboard at the start of Challenge #447:
87.50 Rbailey
85.00 aerohydro
52.95 Varese2002
41.20 Aquilius
31.80 Rod_Filan
29.45 richard B
25.30 Tork1945
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(those above this section must wait 24 hours before answering)
**************
10.40 Airarticles
9.20 Doc
8.50 Lodzermensch
7.70 ermeio
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.30 YavorD
6.30 AnYun
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
5.00 sobrien
5.35 Froggy
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(those immediately above this section must wait 12 hours before answering.)
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4.20 Wind In The Wires
3.30 berman
3.00 joegertler
3.00 sodium
2.60 Mattyboy
1.00 matthewk
1.00 Catfish
1.00 dhc2pilot
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 Tripehound Flyboy
0.20 EricGoedkoop

The next Challenge is to be conducted by Milan!

Tork1945 · 17 July 2012, 09:44 PM

I noted that in 2011 a (first !) biography was published about Octave Chanute

Short, Simine. 2011. Locomotive to aeromotive: Octave Chanute and the transportation revolution. Urbana: University of Illinois Press. ISBN 9780252036316

A few pages of the book can be read here. Judging from these few pages it is absolutely a first rate study.

There was also an exhibit from November 1, 2001 to June 1, 2002 in the atrium of the John Crerar Library at the University of Chicago, where the exhibit curator was Simine Short. A dedicated website remains, which can be found here.

Tork1945