Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #450

Rod_Filan · 23 July 2012, 07:38 PM

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Wow! Rod, I hope the sesquiquadricentennial Challenge will be a fun one!

Paul, I think I found a tough one.

Submitted for your approval; a challenge much like the Assman "Miss Sofia", in that it was more about the person than the machine. This challenge is of a model; by a man said to have been active, ingenious and very sweet who had no enemies and had made an enviable reputation in the aeronautical world. Yet today, the aeronautical world has forgotten him. That is, until Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #450 !

As always, Good Luck!

Scoreboard at the completion of Challenge #449: the De Dion-Bouton multiplane of 1909

87.50 Rbailey
85.00 aerohydro
52.95 Varese2002
41.20 Aquilius
32.80 Rod_Filan
29.45 richard B
26.30 Tork1945
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10.40 Airarticles
9.20 Doc
8.50 Lodzermensch
7.70 ermeio
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.30 YavorD
6.30 AnYun
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
5.00 sobrien
5.35 Froggy
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4.20 Wind In The Wires
3.30 berman
3.00 joegertler
3.00 sodium
2.60 Mattyboy
1.00 matthewk
1.00 Catfish
1.00 dhc2pilot
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 Tripehound Flyboy
0.20 EricGoedkoop

Previous challenges are here: Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge

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The rules are:

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge.
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has received 5 (five) points, they belong to ROYALTY, and must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer. Once someone has achieved 25 (twentyfive) points, they must wait 24hrs after the original post before being able to post an answer.
10. In order to correctly identify the flying object, an answer must mention a characteristic of the design which has helped with its identification, or include a reference to a publication or website, which will confirm the attribution.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

Rod_Filan · 24 July 2012, 07:39 AM

C'est françaises.

Cheers

Rod_Filan · 24 July 2012, 08:24 PM

Detail of the car and machine. From the Fort of Vincennes, was our man's first and only ascent. Of course, not on this aerial marvel.

Cheers

Tork1945 · 24 July 2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rod_Filan

Detail of the car and machine. From the Fort of Vincennes, was our man's first and only ascent. Of course, not on this aerial marvel.

Cheers

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Looking at your Challenge I am under the impression that we are looking at a scale model. Probably the real thing was never built.

Tork1945

Rod_Filan · 24 July 2012, 10:16 PM

You are correct. Never built to my knowledge.

I know the date, or the year rather, the photo of the model was taken but I don't know the year the model was made. Although, it must have been somewhat earlier. It might have occured that the model was on display somewhere, perhaps an aeronautic exposition, when the picture was taken. But that's just my guess.

Cheers

Tork1945 · 24 July 2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rod_Filan

From the Fort of Vincennes, was our man's first and only ascent.

As to the hint, Dupuy de Lôme took a flight with his navigable balloon in February 1872 in the Fort Vincennes

As has been already stated, M. Dupuy de Lôme, at the end of the siege of Paris, was engaged in building a navigable balloon, which, owing to the unsettled state of affairs in France, did not receive its trial till two years later.This balloon, which was inflated with pure hydrogen, was of greater capacity than that of M. Giffard, being cigar shaped and measuring 118 feet by 48 feet.It was also provided with an ingenious arrangement consisting of an internal air bag, capable of being either inflated or discharged, for the purpose of keeping the principal envelope always distended, and thus offering the least possible resistance to the wind.The propelling power was the manual labour of eight men working the screw, and the steerage was provided for by a triangular rudder.The trial, which was carried out without mishap, took place in February, 1872, in the Fort of Vincennes, under the personal direction of the inventor, when it was found that the vessel readily obeyed the helm, and was capable of a speed exceeding six miles an hour.

So the Challenge machine might be a project dreamt up by Henri Dupuy de Lôme. Will look in that direction.

His full name was no less than

Stanislas Charles Henri Laurent Dupuy de Lôme [1816-1885]

Tork1945

Rod_Filan · 24 July 2012, 10:51 PM

Even with the half-dozen or so crew on board our model, it would have been luxuriously spacious in comparison to the nacelle of the Dupuy de Lôme.

Cheers

Tork1945 · 25 July 2012, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rod_Filan

Even with the half-dozen or so crew on board our model, it would have been luxuriously spacious in comparison to the nacelle of the Dupuy de Lôme.

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The 1872 Dupuy de Lôme was 'human-powered' as told here in La Nature

Le 2 février 1872, M. Dupuy de Lôme, accompagné de M. Zédé, officier de marine, de M. Gabriel Yon, constructeur aeéronaute, et de huit hommes de manoeuvre, s'éleva, du fort de Vincennes, dans le grand ballon à hélice qu'il avait construit

So a grand total of 11 people were on board!

Tork1945

Rod_Filan · 25 July 2012, 06:34 AM

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So a grand total of 11 people were on board!

I found that up to 14 persons are mentioned, not all by name though, and yes, Gabriel Yon was one of them. Yon was the builder to the designer de Lôme as you've quoted, however neither was the designer/builder of the challenge.

Cheers

*edit* That is to say... more of the crew can be found named, however the sum number of the compliment taken on the voyage is difficult to determine with certainty. Yet note that the undated nacelle engraving does show 14 heads that I can count.