My Fokker DVII Project - Page 21

Jeff Brooks · 6 September 2006, 06:40 AM

Willem,
yes, I am planning to make it like the original fokker (as best I can) and I understand this might mean that putting the bungee on this way may be a nightmare ... but i'm guessing I'll get an insight into what it took to fly in 1918. no brakes, no tailwheel and no flaps.

Butch · 6 September 2006, 08:59 AM

You don't have flaps nor brakes when you go to work today. With two wings and flying wires you won't need them when you fly your Fokker either. Your work looks very nice.
Pete

Jim Bruton · 6 September 2006, 11:42 AM

Neither Fritz or I are going to put brakes or tailwheels on the DR1s we are building here in CT. Go Retro!

Makhpiyaluta · 6 September 2006, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bruton

Netiehr Fritz or I are going to put brakes or tailwheels on the DR1s we are building here in CT. Go Retro!

I wished we could try it the 'old way' but there's almost no grass at Lelystad airport and the small strip we are allowed to use runs paralel to the runway and there's almost always a nasty crosswind. We are flying from what used to be sea bottom. Also this godforsaken country is so small and overcrowded that there are very strickt rules on flying. Historic aircraft are even worse off here, actualy the government doesn't encourage it at all. They rather don't want it at all, it's so dangerous you know. It took years off effort to have the Aviodrome fly there DC 2 and 3 and the Catalina. Some ten years ago a DC 3 crashed into the sea and the government was even dicussing to forbit all historic aircraft to fly. Maybe it's time to immigrate

Willem

P.S. Your doing a great job Jeff

Jeff Brooks · 6 September 2006, 06:22 PM

I am holding off on the dashboard untill I am sure of how to proceed.

I know that FAR 91.205 requires a VFR aircraft have:
1) Airspeed indicator
2) Altimeter
3) Magnetic Indicator
4) Engine tachometer
5) Oil Pressure indicator
6) Oil Temp guage
7) Manifold presure (depending on type of engine)
8) Fuel Guage
9) Red/white Anti-collision light
10) Seat belt & shoulder harness.

All of these have to be FAA certified instruments too ... not just these old antiques we are able to scrounge. They probably don't have a certificate of airworthiness. Does this FAR not apply for a home built aircraft?

Is there a special certification for historic replicas that will allow us to use the original instrument configurations?
will this special certification allow us to use a tail number of historic aircraft?

does anyone have experiance with this?

Jim Bruton · 6 September 2006, 06:35 PM

Jeff, I have yet to see an anti collision light on any of the aircraft of ORA- no triplanes, or anything else WW1. I am guessing special dispensation for experimental aircraft or historic replicas?

Butch · 6 September 2006, 07:25 PM

Jeff,
I'll get to you off line about some options. Your aircraft will be in the experimental catagory as a homebuilt. You can build your own gauges if you want. Go all original if you can, or have modern gauges modified to look real. The last thing you need to be concerned with is the regs. One of the few good things the FAA has done is authorize designees to issue airworthiness certificates. One of the assumptions is that a designee may know more about the odd stuff coming from the homebuilder world. Build a good airframe, document it, get close on the min requirements, and they will work with you. In the experimental world the regs are not that restrictive.
Pete

Butch · 6 September 2006, 07:28 PM

Jeff,
It is not referred to as a dashboard. Most fixed wing guys (pilots that do not have a whop-whop spinning over their heads) call it an instrument panel.
Pete

Jeff Brooks · 7 September 2006, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch

Jeff,
It is not referred to as a dashboard. Most fixed wing guys (pilots that do not have a whop-whop spinning over their heads) call it an instrument panel.
Pete

Thanks Pete!

Von Writter · 7 September 2006, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Brooks

I am holding off on the dashboard untill I am sure of how to proceed.

I know that FAR 91.205 requires a VFR aircraft have:
1) Airspeed indicator
2) Altimeter
3) Magnetic Indicator
4) Engine tachometer
5) Oil Pressure indicator
6) Oil Temp guage
7) Manifold presure (depending on type of engine)
8) Fuel Guage
9) Red/white Anti-collision light
10) Seat belt & shoulder harness.

All of these have to be FAA certified instruments too ... not just these old antiques we are able to scrounge. They probably don't have a certificate of airworthiness. Does this FAR not apply for a home built aircraft?

Is there a special certification for historic replicas that will allow us to use the original instrument configurations?
will this special certification allow us to use a tail number of historic aircraft?

does anyone have experiance with this?

If you are interested Jeff, a friend of mine and I are working on period correct Anemometers for our planes. It is a wind driven air speed indicator that you see mounted to the outer wing struts of some German WWI planes. It keeps your head out of the cockpit for landings and no Pitot or static ports to mess with. Not to mention cool!

The waxes just went to the foundry and then off to the machine shop. The main differance from a historical Istrument is the use of modern guts. Here is a picture of one of the waxes prior to being cast in Aluminum.

Regards;
Troy W.