Nieuport research

[drrivah]

Fairly certain our Archives has the journal-let me know if you need a good xerox of any of the article ('Zeitschrift fur Flugtechnik und Motorluftschiffart' volume VIII (1917), issues 11 & 12.)

-pete

[Joe Perkel]

Bryan,

I had not been able to see this at my location today,..very nicely done!

Another member reminded me of the fact that this is in fact "virtual manufacture",... not quite real, but satisfying nonetheless.

It does however, give you a real sense of what to expect later.

Feels good doesn't it?

[tengew]

also easy on the eyes looking at old blue prints tweek the eyes

[brinesharks]

Originally Posted by Joe Perkel

Bryan,

I had not been able to see this at my location today,..very nicely done!

Another member reminded me of the fact that this is in fact "virtual manufacture",... not quite real, but satisfying nonetheless.

It does however, give you a real sense of what to expect later.

Feels good doesn't it?

Hi Joe,

Your thread/website are great inspiration. I've being trying to learn CAD for a while and it's finally paying off. The best things is that I can go back at any time and tweak the dimensions. Jim has sent me the Ni23 dimensions and they are different to Rozendaal. I think the 3D CAD will allow me to easily re-dimension the parts as new information comes to light. I can also check to see if parts fits before I start wasting metal/wood. It adds an extra dimension to 'measure twice, cut once'!

I would like to work on the rendering - Inventor doesn't seem to render as well as Rhino. Good enough though.

[brinesharks]

Originally Posted by drrivah

Fairly certain our Archives has the journal-let me know if you need a good xerox of any of the article ('Zeitschrift fur Flugtechnik und Motorluftschiffart' volume VIII (1917), issues 11 & 12.)

-pete

Thanks for the offer Pete. I have a few copies so I will send one to Jim. Makes very interesting reading. Do you know who translated it and when? It uses both 'aeroplane' and 'airplane' so I'm not sure if was done by an American or someone else!

[Nick]

Originally Posted by brinesharks

Nick - if you read this, the small holes through the shaft are for tapered pins.
I might pick your brains on these if I can.

Hi Bryan,
Just spotted this, have been off the air for a couple of days as our phone line was out of action.
That's a timely subject as have just finished fitting the taper pins to the counter shaft control and also the control column. The ones on the shaft and at the base of the column all have nuts on the end as would be a bit awkward if one dropped out however the ones that fit the control grip are just press fitted. I'm guessing yours would be the nutted variety.

Cheers, Nick

[brinesharks]

Originally Posted by Nick

Hi Bryan,
Just spotted this, have been off the air for a couple of days as our phone line was out of action.
That's a timely subject as have just finished fitting the taper pins to the counter shaft control and also the control column. The ones on the shaft and at the base of the column all have nuts on the end as would be a bit awkward if one dropped out however the ones that fit the control grip are just press fitted. I'm guessing yours would be the nutted variety.

Cheers, Nick

Good question - the cross tube between identical left and right fittings actually goes inside the perforated tube. From the drawings I have seen the pins/rivets don't have nuts. Trying to find a photo reference for it. This is a critical point on the airframe (holds my wings on!) so I'm surprised it's not welded or bolted with some substantial bolts.

[brinesharks]

In order to keep some momentum going, I'll post parts as I draw them. Eventually I hope to post assemblies. As I'm working off the Rozendall drawings, dimensions are preliminary until confirmed from other sources!



The above part is the forward fuselage vertical member. It is a sandwich construction (only half is shown), routed out for lightness. The grooves around the edges are for a 2.5mm x 5mm spline that aligns the two halves. The semi-circular cut-out and rabbet are for a metal insert. The insert holds the carby parts (intake?). The main timber used is Spruce, according to Rozendaal. This part is quite similar to Sopwith designs which I presume is because of the French and British types using the same LeRhone engine.

You'll also note that Autodesk Inventor doesn't render as well as Rhino3D (the software Joe Perkel uses) Still, it does the job!

[Joe Perkel]

You'll also note that Autodesk Inventor doesn't render as well as Rhino3D (the software Joe Perkel uses) Still, it does the job!

Bryan,

I don't use Rhino's "built in" renderer, I use a "plug in", (Flamingo) to render.

If you look at some of the spectacular 3d work out there on the net, you'll notice many model in one application and then render in another dedicated rendering program.

This looks very similar to Sopwith. Nice work again.

My drafting table arrived, but no place to set it up in this temporary rental!!!! Wife went vertical ballistic!!!

[brinesharks]

Originally Posted by Joe Perkel

Bryan,

I don't use Rhino's "built in" renderer, I use a "plug in", (Flamingo) to render.

If you look at some of the spectacular 3d work out there on the net, you'll notice many model in one application and then render in another dedicated rendering program.

This looks very similar to Sopwith. Nice work again.

My drafting table arrived, but no place to set it up in this temporary rental!!!! Wife went vertical ballistic!!!

I thought you might use Flamingo - very handy app that! I think there are similar things for Inventor but because it's a 'professional' program, the renderers seem to be very expensive. Can Flamingo import Inventor files?

My main aim is to develop accurate drawings for the Ni17 - so rendering is for the benefit of forum visitors!

Good luck with the drafting table!