Nieuport research

Joe Perkel · 24 November 2008, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by brinesharks

I thought you might use Flamingo - very handy app that! I think there are similar things for Inventor but because it's a 'professional' program, the renderers seem to be very expensive. Can Flamingo import Inventor files?

My main aim is to develop accurate drawings for the Ni17 - so rendering is for the benefit of forum visitors!

Good luck with the drafting table!

Bryan,

I took a quick peek at the site Flamingo - Raytrace and radiosity rendering for Rhino, and it would appear that Flamingo is specific to Rhino,..sorry!

I happened into the entire software package simply as a part of a marine design course. Otherwise, I would not have known what to choose considering so many options.

Nice renderings are good for the "soul" too!

The floats on my website continue to push me motivationally! I've been so busy at home lately, that I can't get much work done. Likely will start on ribs, long before finishing the complete CAD model!

24 November 2008, 06:50 PM

I have the Bergen Hardesty drawings. I believe they are based upon Rozendalh's efforts. IIRC, several aircraft have been built using them.

brinesharks · 24 November 2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PackardPursuit

I have the Bergen Hardesty drawings. I believe they are based upon Rozendalh's efforts. IIRC, several aircraft have been built using them.

Do you know the history of the Hardesty drawings? I was surprised that they are in Imperial measurements. If they are from Rozendaal drawings, I wonder where he got the undercarriage, cowl and armament details.

27 November 2008, 05:56 AM

My belief rgarding the Hardesty drawings being based upon the Rozendalh effort is totally unfounded except for direct comparison of the respective Nieuport 17 renderings. Let's just say itis my assessment or speculation.

BTW and most defiitely IIRC, the Hardesty efforts use imperial and metric dimensions in most instances.

Dansan Abbot has expressed his trust of Hardesty's work, but I still wish
"The German" fellow had left more work (the landing gear) in this direction available!

brinesharks · 10 December 2008, 03:42 AM

The Macchi-Nieuport drawings show most of the undercarriage strut detail. The important fittings (particularly the fitting that has the axle passing through it) are shown dimensioned. I believe the Ni27 drawings show the spreader bar details which are the same as the Ni17...I think. Once I have enough CAD skill I'll draw the fittings! At the moment I think I could make them quicker than I could draw them in CAD...

nieuport fan · 11 December 2008, 02:51 PM

brinesharks,
What are the best known drawings/plans for Nieuport 11 wings?

brinesharks · 12 December 2008, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by nieuport fan

brinesharks,
What are the best known drawings/plans for Nieuport 11 wings?

I'm not sure about the Ni11. The best wing drawings for the Ni17 are the Rozendaal ones. They give a good view of the wing structure.

Does anyone know if Ni11 drawings still exist?

hank jarrett · 12 December 2008, 05:49 AM

Where do you get the Rozendaal 17 drawings and what do they cost? I have a set of plans I drew for a 17 based on the GL 11 plans that he said I had changed so much he didn't want them identified as his. He never did like anyone to change ANYTHING on his design (I really miss the quirky old fart, he was a fascinating guy). It would be nice to look at the Rozendaal drawings to see if there is more I can tweak to get it to look more like the original.
Hank

Leatherhead · 12 December 2008, 07:07 AM

The best drawings I've seen for the N.11 wings are the Macchi Drawings. Drawing #11440 is the upper wing. Drawing #11421 is the lower wing. I have a set of the Macchi drawings, but I don't know if my set is complete. My set contains only about 20 drawings.

You can get the Rozendaal N.17 drawings from WWI. They are listed as $7 (small), or $15 (for a larger print). My Master Materials List is at least a year old, but I wouldn't imagine the price has changed much. I have a set of these.

nieuport fan · 12 December 2008, 09:14 AM

I have the Macchi drawings, the same number about 20, I think that is all there is. There are dimensions but nothing for rib detail. There is also #11451 which shows the aileron. I have the Rozendaal 17 plans as well. They do have good wing detail. I wonder can one logically adapt the 17 wing details to the 11 dimensions since they are not that different. Looking at the profile the seem very similar. I know Antique Aero built one for Mr. Arango so the rib info has to be available somewhere. How detailed are the Hardesty drawings for the 17. I don't have these but I am considering the purchase. Can you build from them?