Problems with aeroforum.org?

[Joe Perkel]

Originally Posted by FOKKERJ

I do highly recomend the "MASTER's LIST".

The loss of this particular archive / source, for any reason, would be particularly devastating to WWI replica builders. This source is easily accessible and being on shore in the U.S., reasonably priced. Cost of replication aside, our experimental catagory rules allow for more potential builds than most anywhere else.

Both my hope and recommendation to the board would be to ensure that these archives remain onshore and accessible.

[Jon18]

Joe,

Even if the publications were forced to go belly up, I'm under the impression that the MML would still be available. But I also think the loss of WW1 Aero and Skyways would be sorely felt. I find the complete lack of WW1 related resources in the mainstream to be disgusting, and not only a major disservice to those interested in this era, but also a slap in the face to those who put their lives on the line flying these things in WW1.

John,
I agree with certain aspects of your post. My interest mainly lies with restorations and full scale, accurate reproductions, and I would like to see WW1 Aero deal more with the building aspect, including vintage fabrication techniques. I think that more is happening in this area now than ever before, especially since people are starting to scratch build authentic rotary engines. However, we also have had requests to expand the models section, which I also believe is valuable to our readers. There are many out there who love early aviation but either have no interest in, or do not have the resources to go full scale, so modeling is going to be then next best thing, and it's important that we put as much effort into this area as possible.

I don't want WW1 Aero to go to a reduced page count or stay in the digital realm for any lengthy period of time. There's no comparison to the convenience of a portable journal. But among many things, we need article submissions. You know what you want to see in these journals. If you have tips for topics that would make for a good read, contact me through this forum and I'll pitch them to the rest of the board.

[ulpilot]

Man, am I sorry I ever started this! My apologies to the members and moderators of this forum. Should have just contacted Tom directly.

Just one last thing before I leave this thread, and I may be wrong. Leo is I believe in his 80's, so why wouldn't he just maybe want to enjoy a retirement in his final years. Unfortunatley there appears to be some selfish individuals that would want to deny him of that right.

And that is the end of my involvelment with this thread.

[tctele]

Hi All, I'm a newbie on here. But the above about says it all. What a great site though, hopefully I can contribute in the future
I know there's a lot of info on here re what airfoils to what aircraft etc. I'm trying to compile a list, with x y ordinates, for those that need them. Which as you know is not the easiest of things to do!
If anyone knows what airfoil was used on the Albatros C.I & C.III (I suspect they will be similar) please post them.

[Jon18]

Should have just contacted Tom directly.

You could have, but this conversation would have just taken place on another thread.

so why wouldn't he just maybe want to enjoy a retirement in his final years. Unfortunatley there appears to be some selfish individuals that would want to deny him of that right.

I don't know who these comments are directed at, but they're about a day late. Nobody forces Leo's involvement with the board. He contacts us under his own volition, and besides that, this conversation isn't really about Leo, it was about maintaining the integrity of the current board members and attempting to correct misconceptions. I simply said that if Leo felt he was forced out of something he worked at for almost 50 years by the board, then he deserves to have his voice heard, even if it puts the board in a bad light. How is that selfish?

[John McKenzie]

Hi Jon' Quite right , its not about Leo ,...I thought also that we'd left that one behind some while ago and were looking at some ideas ,constructively , and now in a rather more cordial manner..

Regards John.

I think, for reasons of his own , Ulpilot 's snide remark was probably directed at me in some sanctimonious way in order to ingratiate himself and direct hostilaty towards me .......Sorry old lad , but we've moved on from there some while ago ! ...SO
LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY !

[krowerke]

jon, good point--

But among many things, we need article submissions. You know what you want to see in these journals. If you have tips for topics that would make for a good read, contact me through this forum and I'll pitch them to the rest of the board...

please let me offer for your consideration: as i said above, i'm enthralled with craftsmen like engels, mayrhofer, brooks, et al recreating machinery and methods from nearly a century ago. while i was growing up building and flying models and reading 'falcons of france' i assumed the glory days of building beautiful warbirds from wood, wire, mild steel and irish linen were gone forever. well due to the dedication of a few, there's a wave of rediscovery of how fokker, albatros, pfalz, SPAD, le rhone and oberursel did what they did. in so many ways, history, engineering, airplane construction, industrial design, even politics and sociology, WWI affected the future. the men, and women [katherine stinson leaps to mind] moved flying machines from open two-seaters to comfy airliners. okay, okay, preaching to the choir here-- i'll get to the point... i submit there is a way to harness this powerful research tool, the internet, and apply it to a hardcopy magazine of significant distribution. not everybody has or wants to enjoy the internet-- where these builders are posting spectacular photos and notes. not everyone wants to do the net research on historical figures like fokker, junkers, boeing, doolittle, nordhoff and hall and the escadrille layfayette boys. IF the publisher wants to reach just a little more into the detail of the re-creation of fokkers and FE2Bs and the men behind them, old and new, they might tap into a new audience. how did engels, brooks, mayrhofer, peter jackson get where they are today? how did tony fokker become the famous builder he became, and what happened to him? inquiring minds want to know i think.
and then there's the movie angle, but that's another post entirely.
please understand i'm not suggesting fundamental redirection of the publications or amplifying history to the detriment of modelers or morphing them into something they're not. my sole motivation is to help them, and the website which i miss, survive and grow. they are a [if not the] historical resource for great war aviation, and should remain so-- by embracing and using the web.
thanks for reading gents.
[stepping off soapbox]
[leaving hyde park]
[attempting aeroforum...again]

[John McKenzie]

Dear Krowerke , I think that the original intension of WWI aero was to bring together all the little guys , most with limited facilaties , in order through mutual help ,and prumelgate their obsession !
Although it is very entralling to see what can be achieved commercially ,in a large ,and well equipt workshops , however , generally , these are far removed from the average builders more modest facilaty .
You will learn far more , and more likely get bitten by the WWI construction bug , if you promote and look see what the likes of one man opperations such as ,say, Nick is doing with his ( comparatively fairly complex ) SNIPE ,in his modest home facilaty and with whom one can more easily empathize .
Sincerely John

[Butch]

How would a permanent "Wants and Needs" thread work on the Forum?
Pete

[John McKenzie]

Sounds a good idea , Pete . ...Gives everyone an equal chace with buying stuff as they all get to see it at the same time ; unlike when they used to be in the journal , it depended on your locatoion as to " When " you got it .

No reason of course that add's cant be in the journal also , but probably this would apply to those of a more permanent and commercial nature.
John